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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CiIZTVuSUiY

    All joking aside, this Tucker Carlson segment tells us that we really do have to take their side despite their political leanings. I hope they change their thinking on gun control and join the NRA.


    Guys- Mark McCloskey did a great interview yesterday on the Ben Shapiro Show. I wish I could find a link- but since there was a guest host, it doesn't seem to be on their podcast.

    Anyway, they have apparently been grossly misrepresented in some media circles as being "liberals". This is NOT true, according to McCloskey himself. He said he has donated to a few democrats running for office in the past- but it was more because of personal friendship than politics. He described himself as a "lifelong Republican" who strongly believes in the RKBA. He also called the group BLM "a terrorist group".

    He went on to talk about the many death threats they have been receiving (the local authorities deemed them as very credible)- and his refusal to abandon their home despite being advised to do so by the police. He decided to seek professional security contractors instead. Hired some former SF guys to come in for added protection at his home and business. He wouldn't give too many details- but said they were prepared to handle things.

    Anyway, that's what the man said. Thought y'all would want to know.
     

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    Guys- Mark McCloskey did a great interview yesterday on the Ben Shapiro Show. I wish I could find a link- but since there was a guest host, it doesn't seem to be on their podcast.

    Anyway, they have apparently been grossly misrepresented in some media circles as being "liberals". This is NOT true, according to McCloskey himself. He said he has donated to a few democrats running for office in the past- but it was more because of personal friendship than politics. He described himself as a "lifelong Republican" who strongly believes in the RKBA. He also called the group BLM "a terrorist group".

    He went on to talk about the many death threats they have been receiving (the local authorities deemed them as very credible)- and his refusal to abandon their home despite being advised to do so by the police. He decided to seek professional security contractors instead. Hired some former SF guys to come in for added protection at his home and business. He wouldn't give too many details- but said they were prepared to handle things.

    Anyway, that's what the man said. Thought y'all would want to know.

    Well well, now I’m hoping everybody will go back a few pages and read over all those posts where they jump to conclusions and damn these people for feeding the gators and supporting BLM and being crazy privileged lefties... media got your asses didn’t they. Uh huh. Got you real good. Think about how easily that happened and then apply that to something a lot closer to home and decide how you’ll fare when it’s something that affects you directly. Feel brainwashed yet?
    Controlled much? LMAO!
     

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    Well well, now I’m hoping everybody will go back a few pages and read over all those posts where they jump to conclusions and damn these people for feeding the gators and supporting BLM and being crazy privileged lefties... media got your asses didn’t they. Uh huh. Got you real good. Think about how easily that happened and then apply that to something a lot closer to home and decide how you’ll fare when it’s something that affects you directly. Feel brainwashed yet?
    Controlled much? LMAO!

    No argument from me about the corrupt media!!!!

    In all honesty, when I saw the first mention of this incident, it was on Fox News. I cannot recollect if that is where the insinuation of them being phony liberal douches came up or not?!? I want to say I remember them bringing up the political donations to democrats in that first showing. Now, that said; if you can truly find ANY political candidate that aligns themselves with the democrats who is NOT an American hating, rioter pandering, BLM genuflecting, self absorbed, self concerned, lying sack of ****; then I guess you could give money to their candidacy and NOT be of the same belief. Good luck with that search!

    What is more likely (if the guy is a wealthy lifelong republican (I have no reason to doubt Heat's post)), he, like many in his situation; gives money across his belief system and across his morals, to get some political favors in return. Murica!

    I personally haven't seen a democrat candidate (locally or nationally), I could EVER vote for since the Ronald Reagan era. I admitadly have voted for a democrat over a criminal republican however. It was the conundrum of turd sandwich or douche! My problem? I vote EVERY TIME no matter who is running and regardless of how insignificant the election.
     

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    Well well, now I’m hoping everybody will go back a few pages and read over all those posts where they jump to conclusions and damn these people for feeding the gators and supporting BLM and being crazy privileged lefties... media got your asses didn’t they. Uh huh. Got you real good. Think about how easily that happened and then apply that to something a lot closer to home and decide how you’ll fare when it’s something that affects you directly. Feel brainwashed yet?
    Controlled much? LMAO!

    Ok, so he does not identify as a democrat, got it. But contributing to the Trump campaign doesn't make him a republican either. Just like sitting in the garage doesn't make me a Ford Fiesta. Politifact if you can trust it calls it a half truth. He's a personal injury attorney and is (currently I believe) representing a client what was found guilty of a crime and is in prison on a police brutality case.


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    A viral image shared on Facebook claimed that a lawyer-couple who pointed guns at protesters are Black Lives Matter backers, Democrats and represent a police brutality victim.

    There is some truth to it. The couple expressed support for Black Lives Matter after the incident, via a statement from their attorney. And Mark McCloskey represents a man who has filed a lawsuit alleging police brutality.

    But there’s a reason the tweet was taken down. It uses campaign donation data from the wrong Mark McCloskey. The Mark McCloskey in the video has donated to both Democratic and Republican candidates, including multiple donations to the Republican National Committee and President Donald Trump.

    We rate the statement Half True.


    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...claim-about-who-couple-who-pointed-g/#sources


    While this new information does allow me to sympathize more with these people, none of this changes my mind as to whether or not I would travel any real distance to go provide security for him. I'm neither police, military or a sheep dog. I just a guy who owns guns and other tools that I train with and carry to protect myself and those in my immediate surroundings. I'm not going to go get myself mixed up in a situation that you helped explain we clearly don't know all the specifics. If that's your bag, you do you boo boo.
     

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    Well well, now I’m hoping everybody will go back a few pages and read over all those posts where they jump to conclusions and damn these people for feeding the gators and supporting BLM and being crazy privileged lefties... media got your asses didn’t they. Uh huh. Got you real good. Think about how easily that happened and then apply that to something a lot closer to home and decide how you’ll fare when it’s something that affects you directly. Feel brainwashed yet?
    Controlled much? LMAO!

    I agree with you for the most part. Some people on here have discussions and other have debates.

    To be fair:
    Not everybody here jumped to conclusions or threw them under the bus. I'd say even those criticizing them ultimately would defend them in the big scheme of things. Yeah they look like doufuses (or is it doufi ?), but starting from some very basic tenants, most of us will agree they weren't in the wrong.

    In this day and age and also in the past, if you aren't questioning the info being given to you, then you are probably being manipulated. That said I think the left, especially the young are more likely to just believe a narrative or the first thing they hear and be done. IE get manipulated.

    There are some "facts" in dispute - such as who broke the gate, it wasn't a mob, they were not angry, no threats were made, etc. etc. blah blah blah. Depends on what outcome you want to see as to what you report or believe. Some are saying the gate was broken later insinuating it is to make the peaceful protesters only look like an angry mob. Without evidence to the contrary my gut belief is the protesters broke it.

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    I will also suggest the mentioning of couples politics and focus of their choice of cases is more about how the left will turn on their own or a mob has no conscience or rationality and not so much about the couples gun rights.

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    I did find some pics of the inside of the house. It is impressive. Not in my price range. I want to say the house was reportedly valued at 1.XX million. Seeing the pics of the inside I'm guessing that was the per room price.
     
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    No argument from me about the corrupt media!!!!

    In all honesty, when I saw the first mention of this incident, it was on Fox News. I cannot recollect if that is where the insinuation of them being phony liberal douches came up or not?!? I want to say I remember them bringing up the political donations to democrats in that first showing. Now, that said; if you can truly find ANY political candidate that aligns themselves with the democrats who is NOT an American hating, rioter pandering, BLM genuflecting, self absorbed, self concerned, lying sack of ****; then I guess you could give money to their candidacy and NOT be of the same belief. Good luck with that search!

    What is more likely (if the guy is a wealthy lifelong republican (I have no reason to doubt Heat's post)), he, like many in his situation; gives money across his belief system and across his morals, to get some political favors in return. Murica!

    I personally haven't seen a democrat candidate (locally or nationally), I could EVER vote for since the Ronald Reagan era. I admitadly have voted for a democrat over a criminal republican however. It was the conundrum of turd sandwich or douche! My problem? I vote EVERY TIME no matter who is running and regardless of how insignificant the election.
    The problem with this is real life. In real life there are many decent people who vote democrat and always have. I know plenty of diehard democrat voters and they can’t be lumped into the baby killing socialist loving welfare system cheating antifa BLM America hating flag burning group of people simply because they vote democrat. Ya gotta have something better than that on them. But people are being duped into believing that they have to fit into a particular group and vote a certain way or they’re in the other group and you’re supposed to be at odds with everyone in the other group. That’s confusing the people with the politician.
    Fortunately, many lifelong Democrat voters are waking up and realizing that they don’t have to vote Democrat just because Dad did. Truth be told, there are many middle class self sufficient Americans who have never relied on the government or anyone else for anything in their adult lives and they don’t think about politics that don’t involve or affect them while they’re busying themselves making a living and struggling to stay in the middle class and take care of their family. These people are patriotic and vote because they feel it’s their civic duty. Rushing to judgement and condemning them because of how (we think) they vote is dead wrong. If you’ve ever wondered how this nation has become so divided, and full of unpatriotic people who refuse to show any allegiance to America, start there. Don’t lose sight of what’s truly going on. Free your mind.
     

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    I agree with you for the most part. Some people on here have discussions and other have debates.

    To be fair:
    Not everybody here jumped to conclusions or threw them under the bus. I'd say even those criticizing them ultimately would defend them in the big scheme of things. Yeah they look like doufuses (or is it doufi ?), but starting from some very basic tenants, most of us will agree they weren't in the wrong.

    In this day and age and also in the past, if you aren't questioning the info being given to you, then you are probably being manipulated. That said I think the left, especially the young are more likely to just believe a narrative or the first thing they hear and be done. IE get manipulated.

    There are some "facts" in dispute - such as who broke the gate, it wasn't a mob, they were not angry, no threats were made, etc. etc. blah blah blah. Depends on what outcome you want to see as to what you report or believe. Some are saying the gate was broken later insinuating it is to make the peaceful protesters only look like an angry mob. Without evidence to the contrary my gut belief is the protesters broke it.

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    I will also suggest the mentioning of couples politics and focus of their choice of cases is more about how the left will turn on their own or a mob has no conscience or rationality and not so much about the couples gun rights.

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    I did find some pics of the inside of the house. It is impressive. Not in my price range. I want to say the house was reportedly valued at 1.XX million. Seeing the pics of the inside I'm guessing that was the per room price.
    Of course I know not everyone threw them under the bus. I’m just saying everyone should see how that took off and learn from it.
     

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    The problem with this is real life. In real life there are many decent people who vote democrat and always have. I know plenty of diehard democrat voters and they can’t be lumped into the baby killing socialist loving welfare system cheating antifa BLM America hating flag burning group of people simply because they vote democrat. Ya gotta have something better than that on them. But people are being duped into believing that they have to fit into a particular group and vote a certain way or they’re in the other group and you’re supposed to be at odds with everyone in the other group. That’s confusing the people with the politician.
    Fortunately, many lifelong Democrat voters are waking up and realizing that they don’t have to vote Democrat just because Dad did. Truth be told, there are many middle class self sufficient Americans who have never relied on the government or anyone else for anything in their adult lives and they don’t think about politics that don’t involve or affect them while they’re busying themselves making a living and struggling to stay in the middle class and take care of their family. These people are patriotic and vote because they feel it’s their civic duty. Rushing to judgement and condemning them because of how (we think) they vote is dead wrong. If you’ve ever wondered how this nation has become so divided, and full of unpatriotic people who refuse to show any allegiance to America, start there. Don’t lose sight of what’s truly going on. Free your mind.


    There are two types of Democrats. Those who are scumbags and those who shouldn’t be voting (oddly enough I forgot the dead). Those good people you speak of would be the later. And the ones waking up to it must have pricked their finger on a spinning wheel because they’ve be asleep for a long time.

    I believe there are good people who will vote Democrat in November but it’s because they have their head buried pretty far up the @$$.

    Lets try a exercise in perspective. List 10 things on the Democrat platform that you can agree with (if you can find that many) and lets come to an agreement as to whether or not they represent our values. Anything we can’t agree on we throw out. Then let’s compare those agenda items to the most extreme Republican and see how many of those agendas they agree on.

    If you know good Democrats find their Prince Charming because I don’t think shaking them will be enough.
     

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    Of course I know not everyone threw them under the bus. I’m just saying everyone should see how that took off and learn from it.

    Its worth noting my understanding of their politics did not prevent me from sympathizing with the uncomfortable situation they found themselves in. Just like if a gator my neighbor was feeding ate their dog I would feel bad for their lost but my opinion would be colored by the foolish choice.
     

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    The problem with this is real life. In real life there are many decent people who vote democrat and always have. I know plenty of diehard democrat voters and they can’t be lumped into the baby killing socialist loving welfare system cheating antifa BLM America hating flag burning group of people simply because they vote democrat. Ya gotta have something better than that on them. But people are being duped into believing that they have to fit into a particular group and vote a certain way or they’re in the other group and you’re supposed to be at odds with everyone in the other group. That’s confusing the people with the politician.
    Fortunately, many lifelong Democrat voters are waking up and realizing that they don’t have to vote Democrat just because Dad did. Truth be told, there are many middle class self sufficient Americans who have never relied on the government or anyone else for anything in their adult lives and they don’t think about politics that don’t involve or affect them while they’re busying themselves making a living and struggling to stay in the middle class and take care of their family. These people are patriotic and vote because they feel it’s their civic duty. Rushing to judgement and condemning them because of how (we think) they vote is dead wrong. If you’ve ever wondered how this nation has become so divided, and full of unpatriotic people who refuse to show any allegiance to America, start there. Don’t lose sight of what’s truly going on. Free your mind.

    I understand your premise. Mine is based on how positively absurd the failed policies of the democrats have scarred this country for life; and how readily eager they are to keep perpetuating them and advancing even more stupid ones. My contention (and contentious attitude toward people that vote for them and with them), is wondering how a person could have a modest education and intellect and convince themselves that democrat policies are anything but failed, destructive, useless, and harmful to this Republic. Just for the record, I hate republicans too! But they haven't taken a toll on us like democrats have.

    Please tell me, anyone; how in good conscience you could hope that Joe Biden wins in November? I think it is abhorrent that his wife is allowing this charade to continue. I saw a video snippet of him from just Thursday and he is basically in a state of constant dementia. This man clearly does not have the mental or physical faculties to run a snowball stand much worse the world. But according to the corrupt media, there are at least 50% of so called potential voters ready to pull the switch for him.

    I told my wife last night after seeing that poor bastard bungle a simple sentence, I would never forgive her if that was me, and she didn't try to intervene. Does his wife really, honestly, and sincerely believe this guy is not deteriorating by the day. He looks so foolish I almost have empathy for him. But here we are.

    So yes; if you are a democrat, and you have convinced yourself that the policies of phony douche liberal democrats is the right direction to steer this country, and you abjectly refuse to at least look at the results of Trump's policies at face value because "they" tell you he's a Nazi, then you are the problem in this country. I don't hate the person! I hate the person for their lack of intelligence. I would rather they stay home on election day!

    My mind is free; it's the cacophany of idiots around me that imprisons my emotions! :dunno:
     
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    I understand your premise. Mine is based on how positively absurd the failed policies of the democrats have scarred this country for life; and how readily eager they are to keep perpetuating them and advancing even more stupid ones. My contention (and contentious attitude toward people that vote for them and with them), is wondering how a person could have a modest education and intellect and convince themselves that democrat policies are anything but failed, destructive, useless, and harmful to this Republic. Just for the record, I hate republicans too! But they haven't taken a toll on us like democrats have.

    Please tell me, anyone; how in good conscience you could hope that Joe Biden wins in November? I think it is abhorrent that his wife is allowing this charade to continue. I saw a video snippet of him from just Thursday and he is basically in a state of constant dementia. This man clearly does not have the mental or physical faculties to run a snowball stand much worse the world. But according to the corrupt media, there are at least 50% of so called potential voters ready to pull the switch for him.

    I told my wife last night after seeing that poor bastard bungle a simple sentence, I would never forgive her if that was me, and she didn't try to intervene. Does his wife really, honestly, and sincerely believe this guy is not deteriorating by the day. He looks so foolish I almost have empathy for him. But here we are.

    So yes; if you are a democrat, and you have convinced yourself that the policies of phony douche liberal democrats is the right direction to steer this country, and you abjectly refuse to at least look at the results of Trump's policies at face value because "they" tell you he's a Nazi, then you are the problem in this country. I don't hate the person! I hate the person for their lack of intelligence. I would rather they stay home on election day!

    My mind is free; it's the cacophany of idiots around me that imprisons my emotions! :dunno:
    It’s just not that black and white. I’d be willing to bet less than half of democratic voters believe in all the agenda you mentioned. Again, all I see is folks falling for and being duped by the hype, the general public opinion (HOWEVER IT CAME TO BE FORMED), the media, the left, etc. Who want us at each others throats. Thanks for giving evidence to support my insanity tho.
     

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    It’s just not that black and white. I’d be willing to bet less than half of democratic voters believe in all the agenda you mentioned. Again, all I see is folks falling for and being duped by the hype, the general public opinion (HOWEVER IT CAME TO BE FORMED), the media, the left, etc. Who want us at each others throats. Thanks for giving evidence to support my insanity tho.


    It is still difficult for us geezers who have listened, in person, to President Truman give a speech from a railroad car with a big picture-window on its side and witnessing the unity of the country then--"we may have some different ideas but we are all still Americans", to absorb the terrible divide that our country is witnessing now and also the real efforts and successes of the Communist Antifa thugs who are erasing our history. I am sure that there are other oldies, both Republican and Democrat who feel the same way. The changes are very hard to process and very terrifying if all come to pass. I read Orwell's book 1984 in school and naively thought that it could never happen in the USA. I was sadly wrong.

    I agree with all on this site who say we should learn from history, that includes our lawyer friends that are being discussed. The horrifying thing for me is that these people had to stand (or do what ever you suggested) on their lawn in the United States and face a mob of trespassing thugs. I could possibly understand a group of protesters outside of the place where the killers of the little black children stayed, but not the home of law abiding citizens.
     

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    I believe everyone has that *line in the sand* that they will defend. I’m sure to many that may be their property. They weren’t looking for trouble. It showed up at their door. Like I said tactics...I won’t judge that I just applaud them for having the nuts to face down a overwhelming force that was threatening them. I guess they figured it WAS a hill worth dying on. I must say I’m in that category. I will not go out looking for trouble but if it shows up unprovoked threatening my life and property, that line has been crossed. I’m sure after the fact all the keyboard commandos that weren’t on scene will rip it to shreds but... so be it. I pray it doesn’t happen but I’ve learned to expect the unexpected.
     
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    I believe everyone has that *line in the sand* that they will defend. I’m sure to many that may be their property. They weren’t looking for trouble. It showed up at their door. Like I said tactics...I won’t judge that I just applaud them for having the nuts to face down a overwhelming force that was threatening them. I guess they figured it WAS a hill worth dying on. I must say I’m in that category. I will not go out looking for trouble but if it shows up unprovoked threatening my life and property, that line has been crossed. I’m sure after the fact all the keyboard commandos that weren’t on scene will rip it to shreds but... so be it. I pray it doesn’t happen but I’ve learned to expect the unexpected.

    I don't recall anyone saying they should have done nothing. It's pretty much agreed that they were right to do something. I believe the efficiency of their actions is what's being discussed. Did their chosen actions accomplish their goal? Depends on what the goal is. If the goal was to defend themselves against the immediate threat, they accomplished their goal. If it was to deter any future attention, I don't think they succeeded.
     

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    I don't recall anyone saying they should have done nothing. It's pretty much agreed that they were right to do something. I believe the efficiency of their actions is what's being discussed. Did their chosen actions accomplish their goal? Depends on what the goal is. If the goal was to defend themselves against the immediate threat, they accomplished their goal. If it was to deter any future attention, I don't think they succeeded.

    Yes they may have won the battle but now the media has declared war.
     

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    I don't recall anyone saying they should have done nothing. It's pretty much agreed that they were right to do something. I believe the efficiency of their actions is what's being discussed. Did their chosen actions accomplish their goal? Depends on what the goal is. If the goal was to defend themselves against the immediate threat, they accomplished their goal. If it was to deter any future attention, I don't think they succeeded.


    Apparently what the homeowners should have done was stay inside (and done nothing?) or gone outside unarmed and said to the nice peaceful protestors "please, please don't hurt me and pretty please get off my lawn". Since that was not what they did, the St. Louis DA felt a search warrant was appropriate and it was executed last night at 8:00 PM. The rifle was seized but the pistol was at their lawyer's office so it was not.

    "If it was to deter any future attention, I don't think they succeeded". Sadly this is 200% correct. Oh my!!!

    God bless and please help the USA

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri...have-rifle-seized-during-police-search-report
     

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    WTF? I can’t find upon what basis the search warrant was ordered. In the article it says something about there being a question of whether they were in possession of the guns on there porch beforehand. Is it actually illegal so sit on your own front porch with a rifle in St Louis? Or anywhere? Confused...
     

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    Plus it appears the gate that was broken through was right near them. I would say that they were close enough to the gate to see or hear it being broken. I did see somewhere that the mob had beaten someone previously. So I would venture to say it is unlikely they knew of the beating if they were surprised be a mob of protesters. It was reported they were threatened verbally, but as you say at what point did that happen.

    Overall - is it up to the couple to be able to be mind readers and know the mobs intentions? How much does growing violence or yesterdays violence affect it? I'd say if it is OK for people to be pre-disposed that police are a danger to them in a traffic stop then citizens should be able to perceive a non peaceful mob as a threat. How much does the current police chief any DA affect your reaction to the situation?

    It was / is cluster for the homeowners.

    If I had 'stoopid' money for a house I'd have to have a balcony. I might end up only going out there once the whole time I lived there, but I'd have one.

    Yep, and the floor would be plate steel attached to hydraulics. When it is go time the floor would hinge up and provide you with a steel gun nest. Not that I’ve ever thought about any of this


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