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  • DAVE_M

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    This was posted by John Hollister, on another forum I frequent, way back in 2008, but it still holds true to this day.

    Folks. People like to have the cool guy gear, but if it came down to it, would you honestly know what to do with it if you needed to?

    In the last, basically, two weeks, we have seen runs on gun stores for rifles and pistols. OK, you bought a shiny AR15. Congratulations

    But again, when the Aliens are landing or the Zombies are rising (tongue obviously in cheek, insert your own SHTF situation here) could you utilize it to full effect, or are you buying a rifle/pistol that someone will claim from you?

    I could go on for pages, but I hate reading long and boring posts . . .

    First-aid, knife skills, firearms skills . . . hell, driving . . . get out there and learn from a professional how to use the shiny gear you own! Otherwise it'll do you little to no good when you really need it

    Be safe
     

    machinedrummer

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    Chances are most of the first time buyers only have to two units of ammo they are allowed to purchase with their new thunder stick. I highly doubt there will be much real training with the new buyers. I’m am happy to see people realizing they have a right to bear arms and are acting on that. I just hope their awakening transfers to their voting too. I have a feeling if Trump wins the market will be flooded with used guns by April of 2021.
     

    DAVE_M

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    Chances are most of the first time buyers only have to two units of ammo they are allowed to purchase with their new thunder stick. I highly doubt there will be much real training with the new buyers. I’m am happy to see people realizing they have a right to bear arms and are acting on that. I just hope their awakening transfers to their voting too. I have a feeling if Trump wins the market will be flooded with used guns by April of 2021.

    Thanks to COVID-19 and the power of the internet, there are virtual classrooms being held. Not everything involves shooting live fire. Dry fire is free.
     

    machinedrummer

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    You are correct. Many things can be done in the comfort of your own home but at some point one need to get hands on training. But I totally agree practicing dry fire, draw, etc... is a must.
     

    Hardtack

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    Good advice. A couple of us at work got guns when the pandemic started and did a course with Phobos, glad we all did. I’m wondering if we’re more the exception than the rule for new gun owners these days. But that was back in April when ammo was still available and cheap. I signed my wife up for training since we now have a gun in the house, but the class was canceled, I think due to low demand.
     

    DAVE_M

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    Good advice. A couple of us at work got guns when the pandemic started and did a course with Phobos, glad we all did. I’m wondering if we’re more the exception than the rule for new gun owners these days. But that was back in April when ammo was still available and cheap. I signed my wife up for training since we now have a gun in the house, but the class was canceled, I think due to low demand.

    Sadly, low demand has cancelled many classes. There were a few cancelled due to COVID restrictions early on.

    There has been an uptick in CHP applications, but I don't know if that has translated to more people seeking further training.
     

    John_

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    Not nearly as awesome as if people would seek training.

    You mean like a long time member here advocating to blindly discharge suppressive fire behind him while fleeing an armed attacker pursuing him?

    Firing non-aimed shots behind you while running forward? Like they do in some fictional action movies.

    I was rather appalled to read someone here advocate such as a strategy on the forum. One a waste of precious ammo, but more importantly could injure or kill an innocent bystander with an errand shot.

    Is that the actions of a responsible gun owner?

    I admit I have not had a single day of organized firearms training in my lifetime, but I have better sense than to employ such a tactic, for a couple really good reasons imo.
    Better to stop and take cover if possible and take aimed shots at the pursuer imo, if in that scenario. Better yet, don't end up being pursued by an armed assailant taking shots at you from your six.
     
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    jlw

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    The demand for training has increased with all of the uncertainties, but the lack of ammo is really hampering the ability to actually provide training. Range access is problematic in my area (GA) as the demand to use ranges is also high. A fellow instructor was running a training group at an indoor range, but the range has been so busy that they aren't letting him rent the range for the group now.
     

    DAVE_M

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    You mean like a long time member here advocating to blindly discharge suppressive fire behind him while fleeing an armed attacker pursuing him?

    Firing non-aimed shots behind you while running forward? Like they do in some fictional action movies.

    I was rather appalled to read someone here advocate such as a strategy on the forum. One a waste of precious ammo, but more importantly could injure or kill an innocent bystander with an errand shot.

    Is that the actions of a responsible gun owner?

    I admit I have not had a single day of organized firearms training in my lifetime, but I have better sense than to employ such a tactic, for a couple really good reasons imo.
    Better to stop and take cover if possible and take aimed shots at the pursuer imo, if in that scenario. Better yet, don't end up being pursued by an armed assailant taking shots at you from your six.

    None of what you said is actually taught by reputable firearms instructors. I’m unsure where he learned that *technique.*
     

    southerncanuck

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    Sadly, low demand has cancelled many classes.

    That's a marketing problem, not a demand problem.

    Demand is at a record high. People are falling all over themselves to take CHP classes. Why? In part it's because it's literally the only class available at most ranges. You need maybe a dozen people to run a class? In a frothing, frenzied market filled with new gun owners, if you can't find 12 people who want training then you're just not asking for their business. This is a remarkably stupid problem to have.
     

    DAVE_M

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    That's a marketing problem, not a demand problem.

    Demand is at a record high. People are falling all over themselves to take CHP classes. Why? In part it's because it's literally the only class available at most ranges. You need maybe a dozen people to run a class? In a frothing, frenzied market filled with new gun owners, if you can't find 12 people who want training then you're just not asking for their business. This is a remarkably stupid problem to have.

    I sort of agree. It would be nice to have a platform where instructors could actually advertise training without having to pay a fee to do so.

    People flocking to CHP classes, yes.
    People flocking to further training, no.

    The CHP course itself is more of a seminar on the CHP rules with a laughable qualification. It’s not a replacement for actual training.
     

    John_

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    None of what you said is actually taught by reputable firearms instructors. I’m unsure where he learned that *technique.*

    You have forgotten so soon, I'm am surprised. (my bad, it was almost a year ago looking at dates) Post # 47 https://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?184812-It-s-Your-Ammo-Not-Your-Pistol!/page5

    And your post# 49.

    Says he learned it from some training dvds he purchased.

    Posts 62, 63, and 64 are really telling here: https://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?184812-It-s-Your-Ammo-Not-Your-Pistol!/page7
     
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    JCcypress

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    CHP classes are a mostly a joke, unless you are a true novice, and even then, there's a lot of really bad info being pushed at many of them.

    Advantage Group has been running classes in Robert and in Shreveport at Red River Range all year. They are doing Carbine I and II classes this weekend, and Pistol classes next month.
    http://advantagegrouptraining.com/calendar/

    I agree ammo should not hamper training. You'll get waaaaayyyyyyy more reps at home with dry fire drills a few times a week, than going to the range for a class every month or two. But admittedly, getting out on the range and going BANG is much more fun. Ideally: Go to a class or two; Learn a few things; Dry practice at home to build muscle memory; Repeat.
     

    DAVE_M

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    You have forgotten so soon, I'm am surprised. (my bad, it was almost a year ago looking at dates) Post # 47 https://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?184812-It-s-Your-Ammo-Not-Your-Pistol!/page5

    And your post# 49.

    Says he learned it from some training dvds he purchased.

    Posts 62, 63, and 64 are really telling here: https://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?184812-It-s-Your-Ammo-Not-Your-Pistol!/page7

    The keyword in my statement was reputable.

    CHP classes are a mostly a joke, unless you are a true novice, and even then, there's a lot of really bad info being pushed at many of them.

    Advantage Group has been running classes in Robert and in Shreveport at Red River Range all year. They are doing Carbine I and II classes this weekend, and Pistol classes next month.
    http://advantagegrouptraining.com/calendar/

    I agree ammo should not hamper training. You'll get waaaaayyyyyyy more reps at home with dry fire drills a few times a week, than going to the range for a class every month or two. But admittedly, getting out on the range and going BANG is much more fun. Ideally: Go to a class or two; Learn a few things; Dry practice at home to build muscle memory; Repeat.

    I agree. One or two classes a year should be doable. Dry fire and even recording yourself is free. There is also a ton of free advice out there if you know where to look. Hell, even Nate and other instructors have given out free advice to those who are actually looking for it.
     

    Rman

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    Remember the old saying: "Too little, Too late". Unfortunately, for many newcomers, this is the case. As patriots, we should be out there helping in any way we can. Just sayin'
     

    Rman

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    That boy put in a lot of practice, but he could have used a better instructor. Some of the entry techniques they used made me cringe.
     

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