I agree hst is always my first choice. fps isn’t a big difference at all really it’s the expansion of the bullet itself where the barrel length or bullet itself really makes a difference.
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I agree hst is always my first choice. fps isn’t a big difference at all really it’s the expansion of the bullet itself where the barrel length or bullet itself really makes a difference.
According to Speer standard pressure 9mm Gold Dot in the 4" test barrel using proper ballistic Gelatin covered with 4 layer cloth:
115gr. penetration 13.75" exp. .590"
124gr. penetration 14.61" exp. .562"
147gr. penetration 14.93" exp. .570
Same here. Realistically, the chances of getting into a shooting are low, especially for a civilian concealed carrier. I would prefer to have ammunition that is more reliable than find some gimmicky stuff that is supposed to be great out of certain barrel lengths. I also don't typically carry anything shorter than 4.5", so it's really a moot point. Even so, HST is the most reliable factory defensive ammunition I've fired and it has enough data behind it to support it being a good choice.
FBI protocol calls for 150% expansion. I'd take HST with 120% expansion over any gimmicky round that claims perfect expansion out of shorter barrels. There is a point of diminishing returns with shorter barrels and it's typically at the point where ammunition doesn't perform as well.
right in a 4* barrel decent results like I’ve said all along. 3.5* or shorter and those results are subpar at best.
I agree 100%. HST are always my first choice. I do have some Speer gold dots, various different hornady rounds, golden saber, and pdx1 but those are all second options for a just Incase type of situation.
none because I wasn’t aware a ballistic vest test was even a thing however I’ve done two calibrated gel test myself as well as the endless amounts of data posted on the internet helps me draw my conclusions pretty easily. Also wet newspaper for those not wanting to spend a few hundred dollars on a block of ballistic gelatin is a fantastic way to conduct your own test for next to nothing.
Dr. Roberts List is the Gold Standard.
Please note that all of the recommended pistol loads listed below have been personally tested and vetted by Dr. Roberts.
THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER OF PERFORMANCE, SO ANY BULLET ON THE LIST IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.
9mm
Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) such as loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dor 124gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)
Federal HST 124gr JHP +P (P9HST3)
You might notice that the list does NOT include any lightweight bullets with the exception of the Barnes 115gr version. The reason – especially if you’ve read the beginning of this article – should be clear already, but Doctor Roberts sums it up nicely as well: *With the exception of the Barnes 115 gr XPB all copper projectile, in general, most 9 mm 115 gr loads have demonstrated greater inconsistency, insufficient penetration, poor intermediate barrier capability, and failure to expand in denim testing than other 9mm bullets. For those individuals wanting to use lighter weight, supersonic 9 mm’s, I think a better alternative than the vast majority of 115 gr loads is to use the slightly heavier 124 to 127 gr bullets or the Barnes 115 gr all copper bullet*
That list leaves off every Hornady round which I’m assuming we’re not tested and also leaves off Federal hst 124gr ( not + p ) and federal hst 147gr + p. I’m just going to stop responding to you because for whatever reason it seems you just want to argue with me and prove your right about something we’re pretty much agreeing on your just too stubborn to see it I guess.
No one was trying to argue with you, just provide information. You are stuck on almost every ammo sucks out of 3.5” barrels, we get it. The ammo JBP55 posted early on(post #31) is pretty much the gold standard out of any handgun.
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Y'all... remember that time OP asked for advice on a handgun then ghosted his own thread and now here we are two months later bickering about bullet expansion?
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