Shooting at Jefferson Gun

**Old School** · February 23rd, 2021, 12:28 PM

Todays society teaches young people that rules don't apply to everyone. Some parents even support these actions when it comes to their children. I afraid it will get worse.

***thperez1972*** · February 23rd, 2021, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Emperor

"He just flipped out!"

Murderer's brother's exact words to investigators. Case of blame elsewhere; closed!

Disclaimer: Even though it seems clearly evident this douche was a cold blooded killer on video, and by all witness accounts; the investigation is not closed! Which means; albeit very unlikely, there could be other possibilities for his despicable actions.

Can't speculate why his mother took her accusatory post down, or if it is even down at all (I do not care), but this mother needs to come to the realization that he was garbage. Now, that said; do not be surprised if a lawyer has advised the family not to exacerbate the public's anger towards this murderer or his actions. Do not forget, the ballistics and forensics of what bullet from whose gun did what and hit whom is not over.

I surmise the murderer's family is lawyered up and they are waiting for a reason to act on anything that may suggest wrongful death. Even murderers can be plaintiffs.

I can speculate why the post may have come down.

"During a brief phone call Monday, Williams mother, Trudy Edwards Williams, didn’t dispute the findings that the Sheriff’s Office discussed with the media. But she said what happened Saturday just wasn’t consistent with the son she had raised."
https://www.nola.com/news/crime_poli...6fec1656e.html

She may not have come to the realization that her son was garbage but she may have come to the realization that her son really did the things they are saying he did.

**Emperor** · February 23rd, 2021, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by whbonney26

See the full presser. He fired outside and then turned his gun and killed the woman and shot at others who shot back at him. Then he eventually came back in looking for more people to shoot and that is when he shot Noah who was ducked and facing away. The coward shot and killed an unarmed woman and then shot a man in the back killing him before being killed himself.

I understand we don't have all the facts, and not all the video footage; and I am not disparaging these innocent victims in the least, and most assuredly not playing after the fact QB, nor trying to display macho bravado; but does anyone know if the clerk was armed; and if so, I wonder why he would have ducked and faced away from the active and still unfolding threat? Unless, bullets from others shooting at the murderer were pinning him down!?!

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Originally Posted by thperez1972

I can speculate why the post may have come down.

"During a brief phone call Monday, Williams mother, Trudy Edwards Williams, didn’t dispute the findings that the Sheriff’s Office discussed with the media. But she said what happened Saturday just wasn’t consistent with the son she had raised."
https://www.nola.com/news/crime_poli...6fec1656e.html

She may not have come to the realization that her son was garbage but she may have come to the realization that her son really did the things they are saying he did.

Fair assessment!

**oleheat** · February 23rd, 2021, 12:59 PM

On Monday, a woman named Janice Hutchinson, who identified herself as Williams aunt, wrote on Facebook, *Our hearts go out to family and friends of those who suffered an untimely and senseless death,* naming Fischbach and Billiot, as well as Williams.

She wrote about the pain and emptiness the family is suffering because of the deaths of innocent people at the hands of a loved one, noting that Williams had anger control issues that stemmed from social ills.

I'd love to read that original CHP application.

*He did a monstrous deed, but he was not a monster,* she wrote.

I beg to differ.

**Mojo Rider** · February 23rd, 2021, 01:09 PM

Trying to make sense of how this could happen in a store with armed employees...so many questions.
Does anyone know how he was holding the handgun as he approached and entered the store?
Hand fully engaged on the grip? Finger in the trigger guard?
and if so what is the protocol when you see someone entering and holding a gun in that manner?
I guess in the future we will have to be "buzzed" in through a locked front door after being deemed safe.

**Bigchillin83** · February 23rd, 2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo Rider

Trying to make sense of how this could happen in a store with armed employees...so many questions.
Does anyone know how he was holding the handgun as he approached and entered the store?
Hand fully engaged on the grip? Finger in the trigger guard?
and if so what is the protocol when you see someone entering and holding a gun in that manner?
I guess in the future we will have to be "buzzed" in through a locked front door after being deemed safe.

knowing quite a few range masters and being there alot... this happens alot more than you think... minus the shootings... the world is full of dumb people, if they or any gunshop took defensve action to anybody who walked in with a loaded gun in there hand or not in a holster they would be shut down in a day... i have never worked at a gun shop, but please chime in those who have, everthing i have heard from buddys is that happens several times a week... I guess you slowly lower your guard till somthing like this happens...

**Bigchillin83** · February 23rd, 2021, 01:18 PM

happens more than you think

**sandman7925** · February 23rd, 2021, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo Rider

Trying to make sense of how this could happen in a store with armed employees...so many questions.
Does anyone know how he was holding the handgun as he approached and entered the store?
Hand fully engaged on the grip? Finger in the trigger guard?
and if so what is the protocol when you see someone entering and holding a gun in that manner?
I guess in the future we will have to be "buzzed" in through a locked front door after being deemed safe.

All of your questions are answered in the press conference.

**Fugum** · February 23rd, 2021, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Old School

Todays society teaches young people that rules don't apply to everyone. Some parents even support these actions when it comes to their children. I afraid it will get worse.

You are absolutely correct. Too many think that the rules don't/shouldn't apply to them

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**Gator 45/70** · February 23rd, 2021, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Bigchillin83

video just made public

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fella stepped outside for a warning shot it appears

looks like at :15 is when the lady was shot.. looks like she was pulling a pistol from her purse...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpkWOmphYU

Don't know if yall saw that when he steps outside and fires in the air and then turns and aims that pistol back inside the glass starts flying.

I'm seeing at least 4 missed target rounds blowing out the door glass.