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  1. #21
    Marksman

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    You see where nice cops end up at, Shot all to hell on the side of a road,

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  2. #22
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    Too bad none of them watched this:


  3. #23
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    Warning. Severe vulgar language but he says it true to all regardless of race, creed or color.

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    Donít troll me bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleheat View Post
    He was asked, then told, to exit his vehicle what seemed like 20 times and never did. He should have known better. No idea why he would have thought things weren't going to go south for him in a hurry, but....

    Now, he's claiming his civil rights were violated and is trying to sue. I disagree- he is responsible for needlessly escalating a routine stop. He could have put the officers at ease from the start if he'd have cooperated in a reasonable manner, but he went down another path.

    I hope the officer gets his job back. They jumped the gun with his firing, in my opinion.
    I think maybe there are a couple of recurring problems that donít seem to ever be considered, but we really donít have all the info on this stop.
    The guy didnít stop immediately. He did (reportedly) drive to a safe place and pull in to stop, which is a reasonable thing to do at night, or so one would believe.
    The guy did nothing illegal. Reportedly, the stop was initiated over lack of a license plate but there was apparently a temporary tag in the back window thatís assumed to have been visible.
    Felony stop? Of course there doesnít seem to be any video from before things are escalated to guns drawn but why? Why a felony stop for a missing plate? Reportedly the cop making the stop called for backup because the Lt would not exit the vehicle. How much time elapsed before cop 2 arrived and ramped things up? Two cops with guns drawn could very well make a person go rigid. It appears to have happened here. The Lt remained calm despite cop 2 losing his cool.
    Without question. That seems to be the theme regardless of the situation. No delay, no questions, no explaining. Iíve seen cops give orders then tase or drag a man seated in his car having a medical emergency to the asphalt because he was physically unable to comply. Iíve seen cops physically assault an older blind man walking with a cane because he attempted to explain. Theyíve shot people in their own home through windows (twice) and through the door when there was no crime being committed, on video for all to see. In these situations the common thread seems to be a cop who goes from zero to kill in a split second when it is completely unwarranted. Many may come to the defense of such a cop, but wonít say how they feel about contact with same.
    I believe the situation in question was handled inappropriately. The actions of cop 2 were complete overkill. I also believe cop 1 felt the same at the time, but eventually joined in because thatís what they do more times than not. I also believe the Lt will win his case and bleed the taxpayers of a few more dollars and cop 2 likely is already at his new job and not missing a paycheck.
    Cops are supposedly trained to deal with the public. The public is not trained to deal with cops. Cops know this. It apparently frustrates some and they react terribly at times. Cop 2 said as much.
    Doesnít play well with TROLLS...

  5. #25
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    She should of been arrested on the spot just like we would of. That's my only issues with the situation.

  6. #26
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    Just wondering what you guys think someone should do in this situation? Pulled over for a missing license plate and when he finds a well lit area to stop they pull guns on him and give him conflicting orders. How are you supposed to keep your hands out of the window while unbuckling your seat belt and unlocking and opening your door? Would it be resisting arrest if he complied with their orders to get out and they shot him full of holes because he was "reaching for a weapon"?



    Quote Originally Posted by oleheat View Post
    He was asked, then told, to exit his vehicle what seemed like 20 times and never did. He should have known better. No idea why he would have thought things weren't going to go south for him in a hurry, but....

    Now, he's claiming his civil rights were violated and is trying to sue. I disagree- he is responsible for needlessly escalating a routine stop. He could have put the officers at ease from the start if he'd have cooperated in a reasonable manner, but he went down another path.

    I hope the officer gets his job back. They jumped the gun with his firing, in my opinion.
    Oh I guess that sums up the answer to my question So you think he should have put his hands inside the vehicle to open his door or unbuckle his seatbelt when being yelled at to keep his hands out the window? Why do you hope the officer gets his job back? You think it's good to have people in authority who say things like "you're fixing to ride the lightning" and "you should be" [afraid] because his car was new and didn't have a license plate?
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    The LT escalated it by assuming that these cops would afford him the same respect as his troops and patriotic Americans. The Sarge also escalated it by doubling down on his aggressive approach even after it was established that the Army officer was not acting in a threatening manner. I don’t see why the Sarge could not have calmly instructed him to hand over his license, registration and insurance before approaching the vehicle.
    I think the Sarge felt that his manhood was being challenged and used the mace as a punishment for it.
    By the time he knew that he had nothing on this stop, he did nothing to deescalate himself or the driver. I bet he now wishes that he would have swallowed some pride taken it easy on the LT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosco View Post
    Just wondering what you guys think someone should do in this situation? Pulled over for a missing license plate and when he finds a well lit area to stop they pull guns on him and give him conflicting orders. How are you supposed to keep your hands out of the window while unbuckling your seat belt and unlocking and opening your door? Would it be resisting arrest if he complied with their orders to get out and they shot him full of holes because he was "reaching for a weapon"?





    Oh I guess that sums up the answer to my question So you think he should have put his hands inside the vehicle to open his door or unbuckle his seatbelt when being yelled at to keep his hands out the window? Why do you hope the officer gets his job back? You think it's good to have people in authority who say things like "you're fixing to ride the lightning" and "you should be" [afraid] because his car was new and didn't have a license plate?
    Speaking for myself, I'd have pulled over a lot sooner, for one thing- and followed their commands. If I feel like I have a legitimate argument, I'll do it in courtroom. My main priority would be to do my part to put everyone at ease and get through this without helping create a national incident, and go home.

    As for the machismo quips from the senior officer- sure, he probably could have done without those. But no one is infallible.

    I'm sure the Lt will end up with a handsome settlement for being mean-mouthed and pepper sprayed. I just think there's a good chance the escalation wouldn't have gone nearly as far if he had responded sooner and been more cooperative. Just my opinion; no one has to agree.
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  9. #29
    Marksman

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    If that would have been a white dude this would be a big nothing burger boys.....
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  10. #30
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    Put the blame for all this crap squarely where it lies; the corrupt and reprehensible media, the corrupt and reprehensible democrat politicians, and the reprehensible dumbasses that refuse to comply with an officer's orders during official stops!

    If a person is legally mandated to notify any law enforcement officer of their CHP upon an official stop for instance, then the least that should be expected from a regular non-CHP citizen is be polite and respectful (a sign of simple common decency), and comply with the wishes of the officer during an official stop.

    These bullshit arguments that blacks are constantly singled out by police are falling on deaf ears with me. Not just because the facts belie it, but because it is being purposely parlayed by corrupt media moguls, and democrats into excuses to tear this country apart. It's pretty simple; if a cop stops you in an official capacity, and you didn't do anything wrong; comply! I don't care if you are white, black, brown, or polka-dotted! On the same theme, other than a legitimate mistake or the case made for a necessary use of force, if there is a corrupt cop out there, and he or she turns his or her body camera off during an official stop that goes wrong, they should be terminated immediately, and face the consequences of their actions without the support of their departments. Two way street!

    But be warned! This despicable excuse for a "free" press in this country is a God damned joke! Forget their blatant bias! Their levels of dishonesty are unprecedented! They are actively engaged in trying to destroy any chances of real social tolerance! It's working too! History will not serve those slugs well, unless they keep re-writing it.
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