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  1. #31
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    What brand is a mixed matched AR? It's either no brand, or the brand of the person/company that assemble it. It certainly is not the brand of any of the parts. I have noticed lots of ads over time, here, and on Louisiana Sportsman, where people list "XYZ" rifle for sale. And in the description it will say "XYZ upper with ABC this and that. Certainly that is not an XYZ rifle.

    From the replies, it is apparent that some people are sensitive about the nature/reputation of their 'mutt'. I think there is no question that a knowledgeable and skilled person can assemble a fine rifle from assorted parts. Also no question that people can put together some crap, regardless of the quality of the parts. But regardless of the quality, durability, accuracy, etc., it's still a mutt.

    If I put together a car using parts from Ford, GM, etc., it might be a hell of a hotrod, but it surely is not a Ford or Chevy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVE_M View Post
    Save your money. Even the best are having QC slips with how many sales have been happening.

    There are certain things you would want, but there is no one brand to rule them all.
    I'm not a BCM fanboy at all, but I do respect their serious commitment to QA/QC on vital tolerance assembly parts. They have a significant time consuming process for every vital tolerance part of EVERY rifle that leaves the factory. There was a video of it a few years back about their processes. Pretty impressive. I can prob guess that Colt doesnt do that one every single rifle, its batch checked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVE_M View Post
    The two that Iím thinking of claim to have 07ís. Both have shops now. It just blows my mind that they call these guns *custom* and they donít manufacture a single part.
    Correct, the moment I see the word "custom" in an ad I scroll past. Its terrifying what some people will do to a gun then sell it. I'd never buy a gun some YouTube mechanic modified. I had a customer bring me a rifle that was ND'ing. I diagnosed it to be the "trigger job" a YouTube mechanic (Who called himself "Frankengun") did to it. Apparently the YouTube mechanic didnt watch the video on heat treated surfaces, nor the difference between milspec heat treatment and civilian heat treatment. He was clueless that his sear work removed the heat treatment, and surface protection, and over time the crisp 90degree angle turned itself into a rolled 45degreee angle and the gun began to function on its own. Really dangerous.

    Technically the vast majority of the big names dont make their own parts either. They make and assemble receivers. Barnes Precision makes all the internal parts for all the huge companies.
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    Buy WHATEVER you want... just don't skimp on the Barrel, BCG or Trigger (Well, and never buy ProMag for Magazines). Buy quality metals... doesn't have to be top of the line with how cookie cutter AR's are.

    Don't listen to the "YOU HAVE TO BUY THIS OR DON'T BUY ANYTHING" crowd... chances are they watched some videos on what the Navy Seals use and now have to own it and would never deviate from it.

    You're not putting THOUSANDS upon thousands of rounds through anything (especially not right now with the way prices are)... even the cheapest M&P 15 and Ruger 556 is running at or over $1000. You're not trekking though the hills and valleys of Afghanistan... or the Jungles of Africa loaded with a full pack and kit ANY TIME SOON to require a Mk18m4 fully outfitted.

    I am NOT a promoter of any specific brand... though I will say BCM would be at the top of my list if I ever made one. Also, if you think some of the "Name Brand" companies don't use the EXACT same lowers/uppers and just BRAND them... you're fooling yourself.

    Are there CRAP parts out there? YES INDEED! Would you know they were crap with most of them sitting in a safe or closet for the duration of their life with barely 1000 rounds through them? Nope. Aside from just wanting to show off and bragging to your buddies that you spent $3000 on a SAI GRY so you can pretend to be Tyrone Woods on the roof of the CIA outpost defending freedom... BUY WHAT YOU CAN... but remember... pay attention to the vital parts. I'm not even saying buy top of the line... just be aware of what metals are used, coatings, linings... as I mentioned above... Barrels, BCG, trigger, etc. Don't 3D print the vital parts! haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdvancedLaser View Post
    I'm not a BCM fanboy at all, but I do respect their serious commitment to QA/QC on vital tolerance assembly parts. They have a significant time consuming process for every vital tolerance part of EVERY rifle that leaves the factory. There was a video of it a few years back about their processes. Pretty impressive. I can prob guess that Colt doesnt do that one every single rifle, its batch checked.
    To my knowledge, the majority of larger manufacturers out there are doing batch QC. They simply can't check everything with the volume they create. However, companies like BCM and even SOLGW are going through each gun before it leaves the shop. It's been stated multiple times (along with video) that SOLGW test fires every gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdvancedLaser View Post
    Correct, the moment I see the word "custom" in an ad I scroll past. Its terrifying what some people will do to a gun then sell it. I'd never buy a gun some YouTube mechanic modified. I had a customer bring me a rifle that was ND'ing. I diagnosed it to be the "trigger job" a YouTube mechanic (Who called himself "Frankengun") did to it. Apparently the YouTube mechanic didnt watch the video on heat treated surfaces, nor the difference between milspec heat treatment and civilian heat treatment. He was clueless that his sear work removed the heat treatment, and surface protection, and over time the crisp 90degree angle turned itself into a rolled 45degreee angle and the gun began to function on its own. Really dangerous.

    Technically the vast majority of the big names dont make their own parts either. They make and assemble receivers. Barnes Precision makes all the internal parts for all the huge companies.
    A lot of companies out there make some of their own parts, but there are also many companies acting as an OEM, such as KNS Precision, Microbest, Azimuth, FN, ZEV, and Schmid Tool. There are many more, but it's besides the point. Transparency is key and a lot of these no name pop up shops lack transparency.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingfhb View Post
    Buy WHATEVER you want... just don't skimp on the Barrel, BCG or Trigger (Well, and never buy ProMag for Magazines). Buy quality metals... doesn't have to be top of the line with how cookie cutter AR's are.
    There is a lot more to it than a Barrel, BCG, and Trigger. What are quality metals?

    Quote Originally Posted by kingfhb View Post
    Don't listen to the "YOU HAVE TO BUY THIS OR DON'T BUY ANYTHING" crowd... chances are they watched some videos on what the Navy Seals use and now have to own it and would never deviate from it.
    Or possibly there ARE informed individuals out there who actually use their equipment and can offer quality advice. You could walk in Interstate Guns (as one example) and ask about anything without having one of the guys sell you some "cookie cutter AR made from quality metals," because I know for a fact some of those guys are educated on these things. You're not going to find low end guns in that shop.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingfhb View Post
    You're not putting THOUSANDS upon thousands of rounds through anything (especially not right now with the way prices are)... even the cheapest M&P 15 and Ruger 556 is running at or over $1000. You're not trekking though the hills and valleys of Afghanistan... or the Jungles of Africa loaded with a full pack and kit ANY TIME SOON to require a Mk18m4 fully outfitted.
    Yet I have friends currently shooting thousands of rounds at night with FA AR's... It's quite naive to believe you know everyone's use case.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingfhb View Post
    I am NOT a promoter of any specific brand... though I will say BCM would be at the top of my list if I ever made one. Also, if you think some of the "Name Brand" companies don't use the EXACT same lowers/uppers and just BRAND them... you're fooling yourself.
    ZEV manufactures upper and lower receivers, as well as some handguards, for SOLGW, Rainier, Triarc and Hodge. Aero Precision has been an OEM for several manufacturers. BCM has receivers cut specifically for them, including the Mk2. GGP makes their own receivers in house. KAC and LMT are making their own stuff. Even PSA makes all of their own receivers in house with DC Machine.

    I guess I'm fooling myself.


    There is a lot more that goes into the AR-15 than people think, but they ignore it due to there being other firearms that have even more going into them.

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    On second thought... it's not even worth it. lol.
    Last edited by kingfhb; June 10th, 2021 at 11:31 AM.

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