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  • LA_Huntsman

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    Here is the situation...

    Event 1: You're leaving your friend's place in a residential area and a mad person tries to run you off the road...

    Event 2: Confused you pull your vehicle over. Looking back you notice the driver pulls a pipe out of the back of the truck...

    Event 3: After the driver of the other vehicle opens your door and assaults you, you draw your handgun and tell him to back off. The guy retreats to his truck...

    Event 4: Thinking the altercation is over you turn your back on the BG, you get back in your vehicle, and you put your handgun away. The BG produces a handgun of his own and returns to your vehicle and proceeds to pistol whip you and threaten to shoot you...
     

    762NATO

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    You should have shot him at the moment he drew the pipe. Also, situational awareness would have potentially foreseen that threat. Just sayin'.
     

    LA_Huntsman

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    You should have shot him at the moment he drew the pipe. Also, situational awareness would have potentially foreseen that threat. Just sayin'.

    oh bro... it weren't me or there would have only been "Event 1:"... I wouldn't have pulled over either.

    ETA: back in 2006 I moved back from Arizona and was driving through town. I had a 1990 Formula Firebird and this black man was telling me to pull over and that he was an undercover narcotics cop(was driving white Merc Grand Marquis). I asked him to show me a badge he said he didn't have to. I flipped him off and floored it. I called security at the casino I was working at and told them to meet me out front. I pulled into the front of the place sideways with him following. When he saw the guards out front he peeled out of the parking lot and left.
     
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    LACamper

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    Between 3 and 4 I'd have waited for him to pull off before putting the gun away for sure.
    How did he open my door? Wasn't it locked? Did he break the window? If so that would have been it... when he pulled back to hit my vehicle with a steel pipe I expect I would have felt my life was in danger.
    When he grabbed the pipe in the back of the truck I'd have been doing about 40 in reverse.
     

    JBE

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    Here is the situation...

    Event 2: Confused you pull your vehicle over. Looking back you notice the driver pulls a pipe out of the back of the truck...

    Event 4: Thinking the altercation is over you turn your back on the BG, you get back in your vehicle, and you put your handgun away. The BG produces a handgun of his own and returns to your vehicle and proceeds to pistol whip you and threaten to shoot you...

    Event 2: Why pull-over in the first place? And if you do pull over and see him pull out a pipe, why stay sitting there instead of leaving?

    Event 4: Why turn your back on the guy and put your handgun away until the guy has left the scene first?
     
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    Hitman

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    Sounds like an idiot on both sides of the road.

    Hey look. The guy who just almost ran me off the road is pissed off and getting a pipe out of the back of his truck. I should stick around and see what he plans on doing with it. :rolleyes:

    ...and here I thought this only happens in horribly bad thriller movies with supposed retarded blonde women playing the role.
     
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    jmeng

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    Event 1: You're leaving your friend's place in a residential area and a mad person tries to run you off the road...

    Event 2: Confused you pull your vehicle over. Looking back you notice the driver pulls a pipe out of the back of the truck...

    1st, I wouldn't have pulled over to begin with. But, if I was confused and pulled over, I would haul ass as soon as the guy got out and grabbed the pipe. Since he's standing outside of his truck at that point I'll be long gone before he can get back in and try to catch up. Follow up with a call to the police to let them know what happened and give a vehicle description.
     

    JWG223

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    Here is the situation...

    Event 1: You're leaving your friend's place in a residential area and a mad person tries to run you off the road...
    Accelerate and lose them. Pull over and stop, remaining in my vehicle if unable to lose them because they are in a faster vehicle or my car is disabled.
    Event 2: Confused you pull your vehicle over. Looking back you notice the driver pulls a pipe out of the back of the truck...
    I would accelerate, because my car is faster than his legs.
    Event 3: After the driver of the other vehicle opens your door and assaults you, you draw your handgun and tell him to back off. The guy retreats to his truck...
    That wouldn't happen, see the answer above.
    Event 4: Thinking the altercation is over you turn your back on the BG, you get back in your vehicle, and you put your handgun away. The BG produces a handgun of his own and returns to your vehicle and proceeds to pistol whip you and threaten to shoot you...

    In answer to #4, this should NEVER HAPPEN.

    a) You never turn your back on a threat, and someone who just assaulted you IS A THREAT.
    b) Why are you waiting around? Why were you sitting there IN THE FIRST PLACE? Don't confront someone if you can just drive off instead. That's flat out stupid.
    c) There has to be more to this...As it stands, this sounds like some dumbass redneck John Wayne crap with all the "high-noon" face-off crap.
     
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    JWG223

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    Event 2: Why pull-over in the first place? And if you do pull over and see him pull out a pipe, why stay sitting there instead of leaving?

    Event 4: Why turn your back on the guy and put your handgun away until the guy has left the scene first?

    No kidding. I have pulled over and approached people before for FRIENDLY reasons on the side of the road. (Fellow sports car owners, etc.). It's still a bit of a tense moment until both people are facing each other and body language is apparent. I cannot imagine the nerves and stupidity brewing with two people pulling over to face each other, both in a rage. Someone is going to get messed up/dead, and someone is going to prison for the rest of their life for per-meditated murder (what else would you call stopping, and getting out of your car with a firearm on your person to confront someone?) or at least brought up on battery if no weapon is involved.

    This is why when I am pulled over, it's 10 and 2, lights on, windows down, engine off, and move very slow movements with asking for permission to get anything/remove my hands from the steering wheel. Some cops want you in the car, some want you out of the car. Best to wait for them to make the call. *Just a friendly reminder to getting off with a warning--make their job feel easier.*
     
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    I wouldn't pull over.

    If I had to, my door would be locked... if he starts trying to break the window... he's going to get shot.
     

    JWG223

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    I wouldn't pull over.

    If I had to, my door would be locked... if he starts trying to break the window... he's going to get shot.
    That constitutes a car-jacking attempt and is a no-questions-asked scenario. Legally absolved, but plan on losing $5-8K in civil court if anyone is alive who can benefit from your money that is related to or involved with the deceased.*

    *All information per the police who are CCW course instructors that teach at Shooters USA.
     
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    Hitman

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    but plan on losing $5-8K in civil court if anyone is alive who can benefit from your money that is related to or involved with the deceased.*

    Stop spreading that Fear Mongering Crap! Folks successfully and legally defend themselves daily without ANY Civil Suit thereafter.

    No need to talk about something that will most likely NOT happen just b/c it's one of those things that could.

    Folks should concern themselves with the LAW and how to properly defend themselves. They should NOT be thinking, *What if this bad guy has a loving mother who might sue me, maybe I should let him hit me once or twice with the pipe.*

    C’mon you Pessimistic Patti! :p
     
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    oleheat

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    That constitutes a car-jacking attempt and is a no-questions-asked scenario. Legally absolved, but plan on losing $5-8K in civil court if anyone is alive who can benefit from your money that is related to or involved with the deceased.*

    *All information per the police who are CCW course instructors that teach at Shooters USA.

    I agree with Hitman. They might want to check into that.
     

    jmeng

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    Stop spreading that Fear Mongering Crap! Folks successfully and legally defend themselves daily without ANY Civil Suit thereafter.

    No need to talk about something that will most likely NOT happen just b/c it's one of those things that could.

    Folks should concern themselves with the LAW and how to properly defend themselves. They should NOT be thinking, *What if this bad guy has a loving mother who might sue me, maybe I should let him hit me once or twice with the pipe.*

    C’mon you Pessimistic Patti! :p

    Point is, some people seem to be forgetting that your life will be much easier if you figure out a way NOT to shoot the guy. Like driving off instead of letting someone with a pipe walk up to your car.
     

    Gringo Loco

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    Here is the situation...

    Event 1: You're leaving your friend's place in a residential area and a mad person tries to run you off the road...

    Event 2: Confused you pull your vehicle over. Looking back you notice the driver pulls a pipe out of the back of the truck...

    Event 3: After the driver of the other vehicle opens your door and assaults you, you draw your handgun and tell him to back off. The guy retreats to his truck...

    Event 4: Thinking the altercation is over you turn your back on the BG, you get back in your vehicle, and you put your handgun away. The BG produces a handgun of his own and returns to your vehicle and proceeds to pistol whip you and threaten to shoot you...

    Answer 1- It happens sometimes. I can't let my emotions take over, if at all possible. Staying level-headed in high-stress situations is a must.
    Answer 2- Wouldn't happen. Part A- Defensive driving. Part B- Never look for the fight, but defend when it comes to you, when all other means of neutralizing the situation have failed.
     

    Hitman

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    Point is, some people seem to be forgetting that your life will be much easier if you figure out a way NOT to shoot the guy.

    Well I didn't know you were JWG233's personal interpreter :p

    That should always be the first option sought, but NOT b/c you're afraid to get sued by the family of said person.
     

    JWG223

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    Well I didn't know you were JWG233's personal interpreter :p

    That should always be the first option sought, but NOT b/c you're afraid to get sued by the family of said person.

    Indeed, that's what I get for listening to a police officer talk about law. Always irritates me how they spread ignorant information in CCW classes, etc., and I had a hunch this was more of it. Thanks for taking the bait and confirming what I had suspected (hence my disclaimer). Usually when police talk, I just smile. This time I actually listened though because it was my first CCW course and I didn't know how difficult any questions forthcoming might be. Shame. I am worse off (knowledge-wise) than before I took the darn thing.

    However, the other sums it up. I mean, what happens if the guy you shoot looks like Obama's imaginary son?
     
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