How is this legal? 40 cars stopped and 20 innocent people handcuffed...

[Bosco]

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/06/05/suspect-in-aurora-bank-robbery-is-former-high-school-music-teacher/

Officers arrested Paetsch after stopping 40 cars and handcuffing 20 innocent people after shutting down the entire intersection at Buckley and Iliff just southeast of the bank. Police found the suspect with two guns, the mask and a $2,000 money band in his car.

Police Chief Daniel Oates on Monday apologized to the innocent bystanders that got caught up in the search for the suspect. Oates also said the ends justify the means since the suspect was caught.​

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[Leadfoot]

No... the ends does NOT justify the means.

Apparently the Denver police, instead of doing it the right way, feel like you should fish with dynamite.

I would be embarrassed if I worked for that department.

 

[Yrdawg]

Oates also said the ends justify the means since the suspect was caught.


Have a nice last day Chief Oates...unless Colorado has gone nutless

 

[Russo]

if someone was allowed to carry in the bank, would the suspect have made it to his vehicle? i would say this action by the police department is the same nonsense we get with the TSA...

 

[jimdana1942]

Blatant constitutional rights violation. Chief and anyone else involved should be fired.

 

[Summit_Ace]

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/06/05/suspect-in-aurora-bank-robbery-is-former-high-school-music-teacher/

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SILLY PERSON, it was "legal" because the police did it and it was for "public safety". It is conditioning. when they have the opportunity to trample our rights, to in their mind protect the "greater good" they will. over time we will get used to it and we have. The key is to do it a little at a time, and they have. For goodness sake look how far they have gone already and right under our noses. We have military drones flying over major U.S. cities. we have some S.W.A.T. teams that some countries would want for their military and we have sheriff departments. in our own state with with boats equipped with machine guns and automatic grenade launchers. we have cities with surveillance and "traffic" cameras on almost every corner. Hell the mayor of Shreveport has stated that when a police officer pulls you over "your rights are suspended" that they, have power that not even the President has. We can't fly without being subjected to pat downs that in any other venue would be considered assault. Although if we choose to not have our children subjected to the molestation we have the option to put them through a scanner. This of course is totally harmless or so they tell us. keep in mind people used to go watch atom bombs go off.

Think we are becoming a police state? Think again, we are already there.

 

[SpeedRacer]

[Devil'sAdvocate]Where is the line drawn? If this guy had raped your kid, or killed your entire family...would you be happy to hear that they let him go for the sake of not "violating" anyone's rights? They know where he is, and by simply temporarily detaining 20 people, the man that killed your family or raped your child could be caught. Or, they watch him drive away and he's never seen again. Is there ANY ends that justify the means? Same scenario, what if you were one of the ones handcuffed in order to catch a rapist/killer. Would you raise hell about your rights or be happy to have helped?[/Devil'sAdvocate]

 

[oleheat]

It's Colorado. Most of those officials are probably native Californians. LOL

 

[deafdave3]

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[Russo]

[Devil'sAdvocate]Where is the line drawn? If this guy had raped your kid, or killed your entire family...would you be happy to hear that they let him go for the sake of not "violating" anyone's rights? They know where he is, and by simply temporarily detaining 20 people, the man that killed your family or raped your child could be caught. Or, they watch him drive away and he's never seen again. Is there ANY ends that justify the means? Same scenario, what if you were one of the ones handcuffed in order to catch a rapist/killer. Would you raise hell about your rights or be happy to have helped?[/Devil'sAdvocate]

you must really like getting sexually assaulted by airport security.. but the short answer to your rant is police have a CSI department to find the suspect...

 

[SpeedRacer]

you must really like getting sexually assaulted by airport security.. but the short answer to your rant is police have a CSI department to find the suspect...

That was hardly a rant, I'm just looking at both sides of the coin. And this has nothing to do with airport security.

 

[Summit_Ace]

[Devil'sAdvocate]Where is the line drawn? If this guy had raped your kid, or killed your entire family...would you be happy to hear that they let him go for the sake of not "violating" anyone's rights? They know where he is, and by simply temporarily detaining 20 people, the man that killed your family or raped your child could be caught. Or, they watch him drive away and he's never seen again. Is there ANY ends that justify the means? Same scenario, what if you were one of the ones handcuffed in order to catch a rapist/killer. Would you raise hell about your rights or be happy to have helped?[/Devil'sAdvocate]

God forbid your scenario ever happens and I know you went to the extreme I would do the same thing. That said, I think it wrong for other peoples rights to be violated to catch a dirt bag, even if he wronged my family. Slippery slope man, very slippery.

 

[Summit_Ace]

if someone was allowed to carry in the bank, would the suspect have made it to his vehicle? i would say this action by the police department is the same nonsense we get with the TSA...

 

[Russo]

That was hardly a rant, I'm just looking at both sides of the coin. And this has nothing to do with airport security.

the TSA use the same excuse you did

 

[Summit_Ace]

the TSA use the same excuse you did

he never said anything about TSA, I did.

 

[Sugarbug]

[Devil'sAdvocate]Where is the line drawn? If this guy had raped your kid, or killed your entire family...would you be happy to hear that they let him go for the sake of not "violating" anyone's rights? They know where he is, and by simply temporarily detaining 20 people, the man that killed your family or raped your child could be caught. Or, they watch him drive away and he's never seen again. Is there ANY ends that justify the means? Same scenario, what if you were one of the ones handcuffed in order to catch a rapist/killer. Would you raise hell about your rights or be happy to have helped?[/Devil'sAdvocate]

Damn you, DA! If that were the case, I'd hope the cops had just started shooting as cars drove up. If they hadn't, I would.

 

[SpeedRacer]

the TSA use the same excuse you did

I didn't "use an excuse". I asked a question for the purpose of thinking about the big picture. I'm not a cop, and I like my rights as much as the next guy. But I'm also aware that it's easy to sit back and complain about rights in an environment that's been made safe by law enforcement doing what they do. On one hand you can say "violating rights" is a slippery slope, but on the other hand so is complaining about it. Some people could find a problem with every single thing law enforcement does, yet don't think about what their life would be like if law enforcement didn't do those things. That, or that life they envision is pure fantasy.

I am open-minded about it and always try to see both sides of the spectrum.

 

[Leadfoot]

Holy ****. Summit Ace has returned from the dead to teach us all how we are being sodomized daily by "The Man".

 

[Storm52]

Speed: With your reasoning behind suspension of the 4th ammendment for the greater good, then it would also stand to reason you would submit to forfeiture of your firearms upon LEO request, until the fugitive(s) are apprehended. You can't allow one to be stepped on without looking at the greater good of having none of them squashed.

 

[Summit_Ace]

Holy ****. Summit Ace has returned from the dead to teach us all how we are being sodomized daily by "The Man".

Hey Shady Dealer thanks for the drive-by. By the way can you disprove ANYTHING I said or you just interested in the meaningless drive-by?