rjf ar15

[JNieman]

I can't put one together as we'll as Colt can I know that.

If you feel that way, you're free to buy one of their complete rifles.

 

[aard3]

It's also a lot easier to build a rifle when you work at a buisness has the tools.

+1.

He's also forgetting about the time involved building it, shipping costs, transfer fees on the lower and a WARRANTY. Not to mention that PSA wait time on uppers being weeks to months, and god help you if you have a problem, you can't just send it to colt/bcm/dd... he'll have to get on internet forums and try to figure it out.


I don't have a problem building your own AR15, I just don't think it something someone should do it for their first rifle... buy a QUALITY first rifle, then go mess around building franken-guns.

 

[dfsutton]

All that aside, if someone thinks you need to be a gunsmith to put an AR together, they're incredibly incompetent behind tools and I question whether or not such a person should even be behind a trigger. ARs are like adult LEGO man. It's -that- easy.

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Really? So mechanical skill or lack thereof is a reason to deny a person their Constitutional rights? Wow, do you really believe that or are you just typing to see yourself post?

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[JNieman]

Time building it isn't an issue as the OP says he /likes/ doing it, tinkering. It's a hobby to some. Transfer fees... I live in one of the worst areas for it, and escaped with $25 per serial # before I made better friends. So let's say it's up to $750. $750 with a gun that's got pretty much the most parts support of any product ever. It's not a big deal to people concerned with budget over time.

I agree PSA is pretty **** right now - I was using links for price estimates, and have been using that list as an example for a long time... before PSA started turning to crap in the customer service world. I just ordered from them a few weeks ago, called them about an issue with my order the day I received it, over 2 weeks ago, and still can't get anyone useful to talk to me about it. But like I said, it's just price estimates.. .they're not the only supplier out there.

 

[JNieman]

Really? So mechanical skill or lack thereof is a reason to deny a person their Constitutional rights? Wow, do you really believe that or are you just typing to see yourself post?

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It was just a statement to emphasize how easy ARs are. Don't take it so hard.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

And I suspect that you have seen your share of home-built Frankenguns go totally ****-up on the range.

I know I damn sure have.

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The ARs I see fail on the range are either home-built or 2nd rate factory guns. 80% of the time when an AR shits the bed on the range its a parts kit gun.

 

[SGT_Kramer]

I build my own guns but I know I've put together god knows how many M4's and M16's. Quality control can be a issue for any company at times including Colt. I've seen alot M4's come out of the box with loose barrels but I'd say 95% of the time thier good to go. I suspect if you took 10,000 of any company's guns you'd find few turds. But I was also trained. For your first weapon I'd buy a complete rifle from one of the many reputable brands mentioned above and familiarize with theory of operation and get to know your weapon.

 

[Nomad.2nd]

I think *if you are willing to deal with the screwups till you get it right* building your own is of great bennifit.

Then you KNOW your gun, you know how to fix it WHEN it breaks (particularely with AR's, they break more often)
And you can see things coming, fix others...


Will you get it right the first time?
Nope.

If your willing to put in the rounds is it worth doing...


I think so.

 

[returningliberty]

The ARs I see fail on the range are either home-built or 2nd rate factory guns. 80% of the time when an AR shits the bed on the range its a parts kit gun.

#1 reason I bought a complete upper half And had a gunsmith check my lower half assembly. For a plinker, who cares. If it deadlines just pull it off the range. If you need it to Work when you pull it out, don't screw around and slap something together; or buy crap that's got a low price tag.

 

[Tulse Luper]

i'm mainly wanting something just to shoot every now and then i would like to spend under a grand looking at some kits too i like tinkering with guns ...

He wants a plinker and wants to tinker. I'm a bloody poet. Based on that, build one. It's fun and a learning experience.

 

[JR1572]

I think *if you are willing to deal with the screwups till you get it right* building your own is of great bennifit.

Then you KNOW your gun, you know how to fix it WHEN it breaks (particularely with AR's, they break more often)
And you can see things coming, fix others...


Will you get it right the first time?
Nope.

If your willing to put in the rounds is it worth doing...


I think so.

How many home built ar's are in closets around the country that have never had a single round through them? I'm willing to bet a lot more than a bunch...

I have yet to have an ar break(catastrophic failure), and I've fired my fair share of rounds thought that platform. Oh that's right, I don't use home builds and all of the ones I have used have been produced by reputable manufacturers.

JR1572

 

[RyanW]

It takes a whole 30 minutes to build an AR, with smoke breaks, while drinking, it's about as simple as guns get. I've built plenty of them, and have yet to have one fail. If all parts are "milspec" then there shouldn't be any more issues than the average Colt would have. If it does fail at an extraordinary rate, then the parts aren't in spec, plain and simple.

I spoke to a guy that had bolt and ejector issues today. He told me that he milled his gas rings down to make it fit in the carrier, it was either a Fail Zero bolt or carrier, don't remember. This guy had no business modifying AR parts and after a few questions, he started to realize his error, and I advised him that next time, if it doesn't work, return it, don't modify it.

 

[JNieman]

It takes a whole 30 minutes to build an AR, with smoke breaks, while drinking, it's about as simple as guns get. I've built plenty of them, and have yet to have one fail. If all parts are "milspec" then there shouldn't be any more issues than the average Colt would have. If it does fail at an extraordinary rate, then the parts aren't in spec, plain and simple.

I spoke to a guy that had bolt and ejector issues today. He told me that he milled his gas rings down to make it fit in the carrier, it was either a Fail Zero bolt or carrier, don't remember. This guy had no business modifying AR parts and after a few questions, he started to realize his error, and I advised him that next time, if it doesn't work, return it, don't modify it.

I'm amazed you didn't just come in here to tell him to take a loan out for an MR556.

 

[JR1572]

I'm amazed you didn't just come in here to tell him to take a loan out for an MR556.

Me too. He does shill for HK...

JR1572

 

[Nomad.2nd]

How many home built ar's are in closets around the country that have never had a single round through them? I'm willing to bet a lot more than a bunch...

I have yet to have an ar break(catastrophic failure), and I've fired my fair share of rounds thought that platform. Oh that's right, I don't use home builds and all of the ones I have used have been produced by reputable manufacturers.

JR1572

Buddy of mine's issued M4 'handgrenaded' while shooting issue greentip during square range drills...

It happens.

But I'm more talking about changing out all the pins and springs...

If your going to shoot 200 rounds a year... Buy one.

If you want to KNOW your primary and are willing to put in the rounds and the time... Build one.

 

[SGT_Kramer]

Bottom line if you decide to build one buy the right guages and tools and take your time. Alot of the time they go together pefect but once you see ONE gun blow up in someones face and they take couple chunks in the arm those guages seem very inexpensive. We kept one on a board for along time till got giged on security inspection for it. Whenever people wanted to tinker with mil guns we'd show em the board.

 

[JR1572]

Buddy of mine's issued M4 'handgrenaded' while shooting issue greentip during square range drills...

It happens.

But I'm more talking about changing out all the pins and springs...

If your going to shoot 200 rounds a year... Buy one.

If you want to KNOW your primary and are willing to put in the rounds and the time... Build one.

Stuff happens. Defective items leave every factory.

I would never use a home build for duty use.

I don't have time to build a Franken-gun and play at the range. I'll stick to my issued Colt.

Let me guess, you would rather an AK?

JR1572

 

[JNieman]

Bottom line if you decide to build one buy the right guages and tools and take your time. Alot of the time they go together pefect but once you see ONE gun blow up in someones face and they take couple chunks in the arm those guages seem very inexpensive. We kept one on a board for along time till got giged on security inspection for it. Whenever people wanted to tinker with mil guns we'd show em the board.

What gauges are you talking about?

And it appears y'all are forgetting what thread you're in. Let me remind you. Guy wants an AR. Here's his background and expected usage:

i'm mainly wanting something just to shoot every now and then i would like to spend under a grand looking at some kits too i like tinkering with guns

 

[SGT_Kramer]

What gauges are you talking about?

Headspace main one to have. I go through whole book though barrel straightness, fire pin protrusion, Torqe wrench. Don't use those?

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

I don't agree building a rifle is necessary to know it. I am on base to fire approx. 22K rounds this year from a single AR. I bought it. I have never and will never build one. How many of the people building rifles at home know or care what the various torque specs are? I know the guys at Daniel Defense do. Knowing what to do and how to do it right are not always the same as being able to do it. I learned how to do Dental Work like Extractions and Fillings. I am able to do them. Who wants me working in their mouth?