The shooting of George Temple had nothing to do with our concealed carry regulations.
Perry Stephens was not carrying a concealed weapon. He retrieved his handgun from his vehicle after hearing the police officer's cry for help.
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The shooting of George Temple had nothing to do with our concealed carry regulations.
Perry Stephens was not carrying a concealed weapon. He retrieved his handgun from his vehicle after hearing the police officer's cry for help.
Dawg, are our life worth less than yours because you have more training? If a law was passed regarding training requirements and you didn't qualify (just hypothetical, don't get bent out of shape) to carry a gun would you still carry?
Thanks Nola. Believe me, If I had time and the money to get some training I would do it in a heart beat! I plan on that my graduation present to myself. Trust me, I envy y'all that have gone through training programs. It's just not feasable for me right now.
Thanks Nola. Believe me, If I had time and the money to get some training I would do it in a heart beat! I plan on that my graduation present to myself. Trust me, I envy y'all that have gone through training programs. It's just not feasable for me right now.
Nolacopusmc
*Banned*
So do you already have your CHP?
I'm not sure where you're going with this. I was using that as an example the only case in LA where a person with a CHP has taken a life. The point is that is the only casualty from a CHP holder in LA, therefore, in LA no bystander has ever been killed by a CHP holder. I was curious about the rest of the country. It was a question I'm not sure why you are going off on this.
Is there some point to your sophomoric "argument" ?
I don't want anybody shooting me or a family member while we are out in public. This includes gangbangers illegally discharging weapons, and it includes LSU students who don't have any training in the use of a self defense handguns.
Dead is dead, irrespective of the motive or intention of the shooter.
I'm not going anywhere with it, nor do I have any reason to believe or disbelieve your other "statistics" about no one in Louisiana having been killed by a CHP holder.
I mention it only because, from your avatar and your posts here, you apparently are (or wish to be) a spokesman for some concealed carry agenda. I thought you would want to be apprised of a factual misstatement so that you wouldn't repeat it in the future.
I don't want to be shot either (see, we agree!). But I know there is that possibility when I walk out the door. I think the difference is that I don't want to resrict someone elses right to selfdefense to make myself feel more comforable.
Nolacopusmc
*Banned*
Your intentions are good, your logic is unrealistic. Why don't we let everyone pilot a plane regardless of training. We won't tell you so next time you get on a plane, hope it is someone who has been trained.
Don't give me the flying a plane is not a right thing. Try to follow the logic.
Placing a deadly weapon in the hands of someone and letting them loose in the public with no formal training is dangerous. Period. Regardless of age or intent. Good people do stupid **** every day.
When the 2nd ammendment was written, the country was less dense, people were taught firearm usage froma young age, and no one had spinners on their tires.
i agree with the intent of the 2ndm but you have to place it in today;s perspective. Besides, Just because you carry a weapon does not mean you can defend yourself. Just because you have two fists doesn't mean when someone tries to kick your ass, you will when. You need training to do almost anything other than eat and f-uck with any true ability.
Stop arguing and get trained, then shoot the crazy bastard that comes to LSU like VT.
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Please correct me if I am wrong, we used this arguement many times while HB199 was being discussed. We used the Temple example reguarding the CHP holder taking a life justifiabley and saving a LEO's life. Nothing about him cc'ing while it happened, just the fact that he had a CHP. We consulted with lawyers and CHP instructors before we said anything. If there are other instances please let me know (no sarcasm).
I am the Southeast Regional Director for the Students for Concealed Carry on Campus.
I want to drive my truck for business and pleasure.
I don't want illegal aliens (who can't comprehend the English language and have no training in the operation of a motor vehicle) driving on the same roadways that I and my family travel.
The pseudo-intellectual arguments of untrained, illogical students do not (for some unfathomable reason) impress me.
I don't want illegal aliens (who can't comprehend the English language and have no training in the operation of a motor vehicle) driving on the same roadways that I and my family travel.
The pseudo-intellectual arguments of untrained, illogical students do not (for some unfathomable reason) impress me.
Nolacopusmc
*Banned*
That's scary. ARe you really saying you are OK with a 21 year old buying their first gun, going through 9 hours of "training" shooting 36 rounds, and feeling more secure with them on the campus? THEY SHOOT OUT TO 15'. ARe you kidding me? Look, I want guns on campus. I want teachers, students, the janitor, even the lunch lady with those flabby underarms, but they have to be trained. I do not see how you can argue this logic?
If there is some point to your query, I missed it. I don't care if you discussed it in the Legislature or in the dorm room, nor do I care if you continue to discuss it. I am not a reposotory of CHP shooting data. The fact that you thought Perry Stephens was carrying, or that you personally know of no other instances, means nothing to me.
I simply mentioned a fact that may or may not be of interest to a "Regional Student Director."
I'm done. It's like talking to the Brady Campaign in here.
http://www.concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm
We usually reserve this for the anti's. I never thought I would have to post it here
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http://www.concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm
We usually reserve this for the anti's. I never thought I would have to post it here
.I'm done. It's like talking to the Brady Campaign in here.
http://www.concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm
We usually reserve this for the anti's. I never thought I would have to post it here
All I saw was a blank screen. Somehow that struck me as appropriate.
If you can't follow the logic that Nolacop posted, you may need to reconsider your qualifications to serve as director of anything.
Nolacopusmc
*Banned*
I'm done. It's like talking to the Brady Campaign in here.
http://www.concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm
We usually reserve this for the anti's. I never thought I would have to post it here
It's OK grasshopper. I do not think you realize that you are talking to people who have fought this war for a long time on many different fronts. You came off a little too hard in the beginning. I know this because I learned it the hard way myself.
Believe it or not, we are all on the same side. However, you cannot come on here as some 22 year old college student who admits to no training and expect to have credibility to guys who have , military, leo, and extensive years of shooting and carrying experience.
Your intention are good and your cause is just, but your approach was alittle arrogant.
Nolacopusmc
*Banned*
I fail at links. http://www.concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm
I'm not looking for respect or credibility, as you said, being a 22 y/o college student I'd be waiting a while. There are some people who can't look past that.
I'm proposing a point of view. I think I was as objective and honest as possible in the beginning and only pushed back after being pushed (and still was pretty respectfull I think). Y'all make it sound like I'm anti-training. I'm not! I'm all for people getting as much training as they can, I wish I could myself! I'm only against making it a requirement to get a CHP.
"If you can't follow the logic that Nolacop posted, you may need to reconsider your qualifications to serve as director of anything."
There are over 35,000 college students, parents, and college faculty in our organization. So I'm clearly not the only one who has this same viewpoint. There were also 15 states last legislative session that proposed bills that would achieve our goal, and more expected this comming session.
Once again, I'm trying to attack anybody for their views I'm just presenting an alternative view point. If I drank I'd take y'all out for a beer to make sure there are no hard feelings.
I'm not looking for respect or credibility, as you said, being a 22 y/o college student I'd be waiting a while. There are some people who can't look past that.
I'm proposing a point of view. I think I was as objective and honest as possible in the beginning and only pushed back after being pushed (and still was pretty respectfull I think). Y'all make it sound like I'm anti-training. I'm not! I'm all for people getting as much training as they can, I wish I could myself! I'm only against making it a requirement to get a CHP.
"If you can't follow the logic that Nolacop posted, you may need to reconsider your qualifications to serve as director of anything."
There are over 35,000 college students, parents, and college faculty in our organization. So I'm clearly not the only one who has this same viewpoint. There were also 15 states last legislative session that proposed bills that would achieve our goal, and more expected this comming session.
Once again, I'm trying to attack anybody for their views I'm just presenting an alternative view point. If I drank I'd take y'all out for a beer to make sure there are no hard feelings.
Nolacopusmc
*Banned*
Not a p[roblem. However, we disagree, you and I, on the fundamental concept that training should be a requirement before having a CHP. I think it is a necessity, and you have not. That's OK. I think you will come around as you get raining and see how that point of view is wrought with issues and liability.
Besides,training is normally an opportunity to shoot. Shooting is always fun.
Besides,training is normally an opportunity to shoot. Shooting is always fun.
