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  • MOTOR51

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    more lies!!!! well kinda lol, nobody has processed a ar braced pistol to there nfa trust becuase there was no need to.... it wasnt an nfa item, so never would have been needed to add to trust



    CAN I REGISTER MY FIREARM WITH A “STABILIZING BRACE” TO MY TRUST?

    Yes, however, the firearm would have needed to be owned by the trust prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register. Evidence that the firearms was in trust should be provided with the registration document.


    Answer: In short, a trust may not register a firearm equipped with a “stabilizing brace” that is a short-barreled rifle pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F unless the trust can establish through documentary evidence that the trust possessed the firearm prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register.

    Under the final rule, the Attorney General has authorized a tax forbearance that allows current possessors of firearms equipped with a “stabilizing brace” that meet the definition of “rifle” and have a barrel or barrels less than 16 inches to register the firearms tax-free. A current possessor is a person who possessed the firearm with an attached “stabilizing brace” prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register.

    Accordingly, any trust that seeks to register a firearm with an attached “stabilizing brace” that is a short-barreled rifle pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F must include with the eForm 1 application evidence that establishes the trust possessed the firearm prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register. This evidence will generally include the signed, dated, and notarized terms of the trust or trust schedules that list or provide a description of the property held in trust. For trust applicants, ATF will perform a thorough review of the trust documents provided with the eForm 1 application to ensure the firearm sought to be registered to the trust was property possessed by the trust prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register. Therefore, any Form 1 application to register a firearm equipped with a “stabilizing brace” to a trust will be disapproved if the applicant fails to demonstrate the trust possessed the firearm prior to the date the final rule is published Federal Register.

    You can def register it as an SBR and remove the brace and add stock. That’s what I was referring to.
     

    Bigchillin83

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    You can def register it as an SBR and remove the brace and add stock. That’s what I was referring to.
    not for the free tax stamp, but yes you can pay $200 and swap a brace to a sbr, but if it wasnt added to your inventory of your nfa trust and notirized which no body did,( would be like adding a pocket knife to your trust) then it doesnt qualify for the "FREE TAX STAMP", but can be normal form1 and paid $200 and added once aproved
     

    thperez1972

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    not for the free tax stamp, but yes you can pay $200 and swap a brace to a sbr, but if it wasnt added to your inventory of your nfa trust and notirized which no body did,( would be like adding a pocket knife to your trust) then it doesnt qualify for the "FREE TAX STAMP", but can be normal form1 and paid $200 and added once aproved
    With the "free tax stamp," once it has been approved, you can remove the brace and add a stock. The "no tax" permission doesn't mean it has to stay a brace.
     

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    I will not comply with unconstitutional tyranny. You shouldn’t either. Per Article VI laws and regulations must be reasonable, they must not make criminals of law abiding simply by draft, private property must not be seized without agreement, and tax must be reasonable. I also don’t recall the Second Amendment describing taxing and regulations of arms?? Do you?

    The ATF is circling the drain and they are going to take the DOJ with them!
     

    AdvancedLaser

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    I will not comply with unconstitutional tyranny. You shouldn’t either. Per Article VI laws and regulations must be reasonable, they must not make criminals of law abiding simply by draft, private property must not be seized without agreement, and tax must be reasonable. I also don’t recall the Second Amendment describing taxing and regulations of arms?? Do you?

    The ATF is circling the drain and they are going to take the DOJ with them!
    Are you going to be drilling a third pin hole for an auto sear and making your braced rifle a machine gun ?

    I often wonder if the keyboard warriors will be as bold as they talk. Its the same penalty for an NFA violation of an unregistered SBR as a unregistered machine gun.

    Or just pay your $200 and do it the way they currently require and wait for the courts to throw it all out, which could take years.
     

    mickey

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    The "pistols" with braces meet the definition of "rifle" contained in the law duly passed by congress. Bump stocks do not meet the definition of "Machinegun" as passed by congress. Legally there is a world of difference to ATF's rule making power in the two situations.

    This is the most intelligent response I have seen to date to explain the current state of this ruling.
    Above was quoted from Dan Zelenka.
     

    thperez1972

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    The "pistols" with braces meet the definition of "rifle" contained in the law duly passed by congress. Bump stocks do not meet the definition of "Machinegun" as passed by congress. Legally there is a world of difference to ATF's rule making power in the two situations.

    This is the most intelligent response I have seen to date to explain the current state of this ruling.
    Above was quoted from Dan Zelenka.
    The brace is not designed to be shouldered. The fact that it readily can does not mean that's what it was designed to do. There's enough differences between braces and stocks that a stock is not a suitable replacement for the purposes of assisting shooters with shooting a "large format" pistol with one hand. That's why braces are either thin or split in the middle. The brace was designed to do add functionality to the accessary market, not duplicate functionality already there. In order for a brace to make a pistol a rifle, you would need to show the brace was designed to be used as a stock. Having the ability to be used as a stock and designed to be used as a stock are not the same.
     

    Bigchillin83

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    The brace is not designed to be shouldered. The fact that it readily can does not mean that's what it was designed to do. There's enough differences between braces and stocks that a stock is not a suitable replacement for the purposes of assisting shooters with shooting a "large format" pistol with one hand. That's why braces are either thin or split in the middle. The brace was designed to do add functionality to the accessary market, not duplicate functionality already there. In order for a brace to make a pistol a rifle, you would need to show the brace was designed to be used as a stock. Having the ability to be used as a stock and designed to be used as a stock are not the same.
    winner winner chicken dinner, i knew sombody smart would come along and dumb it down for us... dont forget to throw in the "intent" thats a big one these days :mamoru:
     

    MOTOR51

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    This is very true in the beginning. I think the problem came in when most items were stocks disguised as braces with the “intent” being to make it more comfortable to shoulder. I think all of it is ridiculous as I’m not sure what makes an SBR more dangerous than a Barrett .50cal but what do I know.
     

    machinedrummer

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    They seem to be making this a ADA issue vs a plain violation of the 2A. The republicans will probably “compromise” and pass a bill to only allow disabled folks to have them. Triggers, bump stocks, braces, mags, nods, thermal, dots…it’s just one bite at a time till we have no meat left on the bone for US, then we don’t have a seat at the table.
     

    Bigchillin83

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    When ATF ruled bump stocks were illegal, they said out of the 520,000 in circulation only 546 were turned in, so that gives a good indication that there will be mass non-compliance with the ATF pistol brace ruling.
     

    Magdump

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    When ATF ruled bump stocks were illegal, they said out of the 520,000 in circulation only 546 were turned in, so that gives a good indication that there will be mass non-compliance with the ATF pistol brace ruling.
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