Man aquitted for murder and robbery, but sentenced for gun possession

[Doug.38PR]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20111220/NEWS/112200339/1001/RSS01

Well....do you have a right to self defense or not? The man apparently killed in self defense and fled for his life. But the fact that he had a gun (was able to defend himself) is the crime simply because he is a felon.


This is why gun control FOR ANYBODY is wrong. If you REALLY are so dangerous that you shouldn't have a gun....then you shouldn't be out of prison.....in fact you should probably be 6 ft under if you're REALLY that dangerous.

He was convicted and is having a portion of his life taken away for doing something that otherwise would have resulted in him losing his life

 

[enutees]

I will strongly disagree with you on that one. I will get too long winded but you made a choice to commit the previous crime and you lose quite a bit of rights. We can't keep people in jail as long as we want because none of us are willing to pay the taxes that it would require to do so.

These are people that have shown they lack the judgment to make proper decisions. Just look at the recidivism rates of violent criminals.

 

[Tate]

This guy has multiple drug convictions and then after the "self defense shooting" at a drug deal gone wrong he stole a car, carjacked another car where he took a woman and her child hostage before eventually stealing a fedex truck at gun point? Sounds like a fine upstanding citizen to me.

 

[Emperor]

This guy has multiple drug convictions and then after the "self defense shooting" at a drug deal gone wrong he stole a car, carjacked another car where he took a woman and her child hostage before eventually stealing a fedex truck at gun point? Sounds like a fine upstanding citizen to me.

If this is true; END OF STORY / THREAD!

 

[oleheat]

This guy has multiple drug convictions and then after the "self defense shooting" at a drug deal gone wrong he stole a car, carjacked another car where he took a woman and her child hostage before eventually stealing a fedex truck at gun point? Sounds like a fine upstanding citizen to me.

"A pillar of the community......"

 

[Pacioli]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20111220/NEWS/112200339/1001/RSS01Well....do you have a right to self defense or not? The man apparently killed in self defense and fled for his life. But the fact that he had a gun (was able to defend himself) is the crime simply because he is a felon.

You really need to pick your poster boy more carefully. He killed the guy he was buying meth from and then carjacked three vehicles, all with the gun you're talking about.

You apparently think there's a 2A issue here, but I think you're all alone on your planet.

 

[DAUC]

After reading the article, I'm surprised he isn't being charged with more. Self Defense? His word against a dead man...

 

[Doug.38PR]

This guy has multiple drug convictions and then after the "self defense shooting" at a drug deal gone wrong he stole a car, carjacked another car where he took a woman and her child hostage before eventually stealing a fedex truck at gun point? Sounds like a fine upstanding citizen to me.

You all missed the point. I was specifically not trying to portray a "poster boy" 1) I said if he REALLY is so dangerous that he shouldn't own a gun, then he shouldn't be out of jain (in fact probably they should be 6 ft under) 2) if he has commited a REAL crime then hold him accountable for that. The real crime was carjacking a car, kidnapping a woman, armed robbery and he was not convicted for any of those...instead he was convicted for simply "having a gun".

Once you serve your time as punishment for real crimes and if you truly should be out of prison...then ALL your rights should be restored because they are natural God given rights. We have a right to life, liberty and property and pursuit of happiness (which calls for the right of self defense).

 

[SpeedRacer]

You all missed the point. I was specifically not trying to portray a "poster boy" 1) I said if he REALLY is so dangerous that he shouldn't own a gun, then he shouldn't be out of jain (in fact probably they should be 6 ft under) 2) if he has commited a REAL crime then hold him accountable for that. The real crime was carjacking a car, kidnapping a woman, armed robbery and he was not convicted for any of those...instead he was convicted for simply "having a gun".

Once you serve your time as punishment for real crimes and if you truly should be out of prison...then ALL your rights should be restored because they are natural God given rights. We have a right to life, liberty and property and pursuit of happiness (which calls for the right of self defense).

Are you ****ing kidding me?

 

[leVieux]

Doug,

You know that you're one of my favorite posters; but, that is a very confusing article....................

leVieux

 

[MOTOR51]

Wow,really? No you should not have all your rights restored. Child predators should not be allowed around schools,etc. Not all crimes carry a life scentence(I do not agree with some scentences) and therefore you have to be kept on a short leash. Having a law on the books to charge convicted felons with firearms is a great thing. If he ha not been breaking the law in the first place he would have not been there to have to use a gun in self defense. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.

 

[Doug.38PR]

Okay. Let's approach this another way. Let's make a fictional "poster boy" as one of you said. Billy Ray Joe Bob makes an unlawful entry into somebody's house because he's angry at them for playing music too loud. He's also into using and dealing drugs. He slugs somebody across the face for trivial reason. Unlawful Entry, Drug use and dealing, assault and battery. All felonies. He goes to prison for 15-20 years. Serves his time. He gets out, a new man, regretted what he's done. Let's even say he's "found religion" and has given his life to Jesus Christ and teaches Sunday School at the local church. He goes out and gets a gun. Somebody tries to carjack him. He shoots them. He's a "convicted felon with a gun." Should he REALLY be arrested and sent to jail for "having a gun"?

 

[Doug.38PR]

Wow,really? No you should not have all your rights restored. Child predators should not be allowed around schools,etc. Not all crimes carry a life scentence(I do not agree with some scentences) and therefore you have to be kept on a short leash. Having a law on the books to charge convicted felons with firearms is a great thing. If he ha not been breaking the law in the first place he would have not been there to have to use a gun in self defense. I don't feel sorry for him one bit.

I don't feel sorry for HIM. He's no doubt a lowlife. What I am sorry about is the so-called "Justice System" that handled this thing backwards by failing to convict and sentence him for a REAL crime and convicting and sentencing him for a non-crime.

Child molesters and rapists should be put down. Certainly shouldn't be free to walk the streets. The system is supposed to be about crime solving and punishment, not crime prevention. When the system is about crime prevention it is also ultimately about giving up liberty

 

[SpeedRacer]

Okay. Let's approach this another way. Let's make a fictional "poster boy" as one of you said. Billy Ray Joe Bob makes an unlawful entry into somebody's house because he's angry at them for playing music too loud. He's also into using and dealing drugs. He slugs somebody across the face for trivial reason. Unlawful Entry, Drug use and dealing, assault and battery. All felonies. He goes to prison for 15-20 years. Serves his time. He gets out, a new man, regretted what he's done. Let's even say he's "found religion" and has given his life to Jesus Christ and teaches Sunday School at the local church. He goes out and gets a gun. Somebody tries to carjack him. He shoots them. He's a "convicted felon with a gun." Should he REALLY be arrested and sent to jail for "having a gun"?

Yes.

 

[sandman7925]

The OP's delivery is poor but I agree. If they are let out rights should be restored. If not keep them locked up. I'm surprised all the believers in the US Constitution on this site don't agree.

 

[SpeedRacer]

The OP's delivery is poor but I agree. If they are let out rights should be restored. If not keep them locked up. I'm surprised all the believers in the US Constitution on this site don't agree.

If you want to play that game, then why jail them at all? Aren't we entitled to freedom? Stupid games, stupid prizes. If you want to retain your rights, don't commit felonies. Pretty simple logic if you ask me.

And for every "born again Billy Ray Joe Bob" justifiably defending himself, there's dozens of ex-cons that didn't meet Jesus in jail doing very bad things with guns. The law gives the justice system another tool to keep these people behind bars where they can't do more very bad things. If Billy Ray Joe Bob has to "suffer" to make the world my family lives in safer, then **** 'em. He shouldn't have broken the law in the first place.

 

[OneStory]

If you want to play that game, then why jail them at all? Aren't we entitled to freedom? Stupid games, stupid prizes. If you want to retain your rights, don't commit felonies. Pretty simple logic if you ask me.

And for every "born again Billy Ray Joe Bob" justifiably defending himself, there's dozens of ex-cons that didn't meet Jesus in jail doing very bad things with guns. The law gives the justice system another tool to keep these people behind bars where they can't do more very bad things. If Billy Ray Joe Bob has to "suffer" to make the world my family lives in safer, then **** 'em. He shouldn't have broken the law in the first place.

What about his family. They are innocent. Shouldn't he be allowed to protect them?

 

[SpeedRacer]

What about his family. They are innocent. Shouldn't he be allowed to protect them?

He certainly can. And then he can go to jail for breaking the law.

And since we're playing the "hypotheticals that conveniently make our point" game, let's rewind a bit...what if the person that was going to harm his family was also an ex-con, and was stopped for an expired brake tag on the way to murder Billy Ray and his family. Instead, thanks to the laws in place, he was arrested for having a gun in his possession and sent to jail. Billy Ray and all of his peeps are safe and sound tucked in bed, and another criminal is behind bars. Yay!

 

[vern10mm]

Okay. Let's approach this another way. Let's make a fictional "poster boy" as one of you said. Billy Ray Joe Bob makes an unlawful entry into somebody's house because he's angry at them for playing music too loud. He's also into using and dealing drugs. He slugs somebody across the face for trivial reason. Unlawful Entry, Drug use and dealing, assault and battery. All felonies. He goes to prison for 15-20 years. Serves his time. He gets out, a new man, regretted what he's done. Let's even say he's "found religion" and has given his life to Jesus Christ and teaches Sunday School at the local church. He goes out and gets a gun. Somebody tries to carjack him. He shoots them. He's a "convicted felon with a gun." Should he REALLY be arrested and sent to jail for "having a gun"?

When did assualt OR battery become a felony?


fAIL much?

 

[JNieman]

The OP's delivery is poor but I agree. If they are let out rights should be restored. If not keep them locked up. I'm surprised all the believers in the US Constitution on this site don't agree.

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