Hand gun registration question

[toolpush]

My wife purchased a Remington R1 1911 for me for Christmas. The gun was registered in her name at purchase, what do I have to do to register it in my name as I will have the gun in my posession 100% of the time? Thanks.

 

[chad]

Did she actually have the gun registered? LA does not require registration and if she just purchased it at the store, filling out a 4473 doesn't mean it's "registered" in her name.

 

[sksshooter]

you need to do nothing. it is my understanding that there is no such thing as registering a gun in Louisiana. i know any time ive filled out that form (4473?0)at a gun shop it has never had a serial number or anything to do with the gun i was purchasing on it. my understanding is the only thing it is for is to see if you are approved to legally purchase either a long gun or a handgun. regardless even if it was in here name there are no laws that require you to show a transfer of ownership or registration. so if i sold you a gun and then you sold it to joe down the street from you there is no paper trail nor is there one required unless we create one at the time of the sale.

 

[chad]

This seems to be a good article describing what occurs when you buy a gun, and talks about this word you use "registration".
http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=1566

Here is another link with that question on the LA State Police Site
http://dpsweb.dps.louisiana.gov/lsp...1ced3499b234d7378625747f00751253?OpenDocument

 

[toolpush]

OK,thanks, I think she was confused when she bought it, when she filled out the form she thought it was being registered in her name. Thanks for the information. I just wanted to be sure, this was our first hand gun purchase.

 

[TomTerrific]

This seems to be a good article describing what occurs when you buy a gun, and talks about this word you use "registration".
http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=1566

Gordon puts it well.

 

[03protege]

you need to do nothing. it is my understanding that there is no such thing as registering a gun in Louisiana. i know any time ive filled out that form (4473?0)at a gun shop it has never had a serial number or anything to do with the gun i was purchasing on it. my understanding is the only thing it is for is to see if you are approved to legally purchase either a long gun or a handgun. regardless even if it was in here name there are no laws that require you to show a transfer of ownership or registration. so if i sold you a gun and then you sold it to joe down the street from you there is no paper trail nor is there one required unless we create one at the time of the sale.

I'm 99% positive that all 4473's have to have serial numbers.

 

[chad]

I'm 99% positive that all 4473's have to have serial numbers.

This.

 

[chad]

OK,thanks, I think she was confused when she bought it, when she filled out the form she thought it was being registered in her name. Thanks for the information. I just wanted to be sure, this was our first hand gun purchase.

It's a common misconception. In LA you can buy and sell guns if you are a private individual between other private individuals without doing any kind of paperwork or anything. I see you just joined this site too. Congrats on your first handgun purchase and prepare to set up a separate bank account as a "gun" fund. Then prepare yourself to start going broke! At times I wish LA had a 14 day waiting period, only because I wouldn't spend as much money on firearms as I do!

 

[Guate_shooter]

I'm 99% positive that all 4473's have to have serial numbers.

They SURE do and thats a 100% fact

The form 4473 stays at said FFL in the file with your personal information, it is also believed that NICS only keeps that information for 3 days and after that they are REQUIRED to erase that information from their system. I cant say if they do or not but the paper does stay in the FFL book for the entire time the FFL is active, the minute it becomes in-active they are required to give the "books" back to the Government.

At least thats the story I was told by a good friend of mine who has an FFL and does transfers on regular basis.

 

[sksshooter]

hmm they must put it on there after you fill out your part. ive even decided to buy a gun and while waiting on them to make their call decided to buy a different gun. it caused no problem. maybe they wait till you are making the transaction to put the serial on it? i know with 100% certainty that i have never filled one out that had the serial number to the gun i was purchasing on it. guess you learn something new every day.

 

[Guate_shooter]

It doesnt matter as long as its the same KIND

Long gun, handgun or part are the 3 options on the form.

If you change your mind once you have been aprooved for a handgun and decide to buy a SIG instead of a Glock its still a handgun, if you wanted to buy an 870 instead they would have to run another one to be aprooved for a LONG GUN.

the form has up to 4 serial numbers on it so technically you can buy 4 at one time

 

[belmor]

They SURE do and thats a 100% fact

The form 4473 stays at said FFL in the file with your personal information, it is also believed that NICS only keeps that information for 3 days and after that they are REQUIRED to erase that information from their system. I cant say if they do or not but the paper does stay in the FFL book for the entire time the FFL is active, the minute it becomes in-active they are required to give the "books" back to the Government.

At least thats the story I was told by a good friend of mine who has an FFL and does transfers on regular basis.

The make/model/serial number is put on the form by the dealer, however it is at no time transmitted to the ATF/NICS. If you commit a crime the ATF can look up if you had your name run thru NICS and then physically go to that dealer and check the files to see what was purchased but there is no "registration database" of who owns what gun etc etc.
Dealers are required to keep 4473's for 20 years or until they stop having an FFL, if that occours the ATF will pick the records up and store them the remaining time.

~B~

 

[03protege]

The make/model/serial number is put on the form by the dealer, however it is at no time transmitted to the ATF/NICS. If you commit a crime the ATF can look up if you had your name run thru NICS and then physically go to that dealer and check the files to see what was purchased but there is no "registration database" of who owns what gun etc etc.
Dealers are required to keep 4473's for 20 years or until they stop having an FFL, if that occours the ATF will pick the records up and store them the remaining time.

~B~

Good to know belmor thanks for the info.

 

[olivs260]

I've been physically in front of an FFL before when he called in the check. At no point did he mention make, model, serial #, or anything other than "long gun" (might have been "rifle", but I think it was just "long gun"). I think I remember him writing the serial # on something, but I honestly thought that was just the sales receipt. I didn't even realize it went on the 4473.

 

[sksshooter]

I've never had a serial number listed on the form while filling it out. Maybe they wait to find out if you are approved before writing it in? Either way good info from you guys.

 

[buttanic]

My nephew had let his FFL expire when he got out of the business. About a year later the state claimed he owed them back sales taxes from some gun sales. He no longer had any records to figure how much he owed so he contacted the ATF about getting copies of the 4473 he had sent them. The agent laughed at him, he asked why. It seems the records are put in a box on a pallet with about a few hundred other boxes and stored in a warehouse with several thousand other pallets of boxes and there was no way they were going to look for his.

 

[Leadfoot]

When the FFL calls into to verify your information, he is asked if it is a HANDGUN or LONG GUN and HOW MANY. He is not asked any other information relative to the actual firearm as far as make, caliber, whatever.

After you are given the proceed, the 4473 is filled out with the Maker, Model, Caliber and Serial # of the gun(s) you purchased.

 

[Skiney]

My nephew had let his FFL expire when he got out of the business. About a year later the state claimed he owed them back sales taxes from some gun sales. He no longer had any records to figure how much he owed so he contacted the ATF about getting copies of the 4473 he had sent them. The agent laughed at him, he asked why. It seems the records are put in a box on a pallet with about a few hundred other boxes and stored in a warehouse with several thousand other pallets of boxes and there was no way they were going to look for his.

Lol Now THAT sounds like reality.....

However; Eliminate the confussion and DON"T BUY guns from a gun store or gun shop, pawn shop etc.

Deal strictly with individuals, then you can be assured of the answer right? I mean how new does new stay with a weapon Come On lol

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[chad]

Deal strictly with individuals, then you can be assured of the answer right? I mean how new does new stay with a weapon Come On lol

I'm with this. I love second hand. Seems beneficial in a lot of things. I buy my guns used, cars 6 months old, even electronics and furniture on craigslist!