Egg-zackly! How do you like that spelling?
Background checks do not deter people from participating in criminal activity. There are many people with no criminal record that participate in criminal activity daily.
When a car is sold the title is transferred or in the event of no title, the purchaser must have a new title created in order to put the vehicle in their name, register it and obtain insurance. With a private sale of a firearm, a bill of sale basically says the gun was sold. I'd at least get it notarized. Either way if the firearm is registered in your name and you do a private sale the firearm is still registered in your name. It happened to a friend several years ago where a gun was sold privately and a few years later the gun was used in a shooting. The police traced the gun back to my friend and even with a bill of sale he had to deal with a bunch of stuff with the police. If you do a federal transfer then it goes out of your name and into the purchasers name. I fully understand the thought of none of there business who one sells a firearm to but doing a FF transfer of ownership removes the seller completely from the firearm. I sold a boat once and the guy never registered it in his name. I had a notarized bill of sale but when he was busted doing illegal stuff in the boat they needed me to prove that the boat was sold to this guy since it was still registered in my name they assumed I loaned him the boat or was associated with him. Just need to do whatever to protect yourself after the sale. There is an official Louisiana BOS form for firearms. For $20 I'd get it notarized and be done with it.
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A permanent record of your purchase is made with a 4473, and FFL holders are the file clerks for the ATF. Buyer information, make, model, caliber, and serial number are recorded. How is that NOT a registration?
I just used 2 guns every 10 years to make a point. 5 guns in a year would seem reasonable to a lot of regulators. As far as I know, there is no hard number from the ATF currently on what is required before you get an FFL. A filing cabinet full of bill of sales, however, would seem to indicate that you were in business.
Being the 'Patient Zero' of this particular incident, I can attest to what Bigchillin83 is saying. It doesn't seem to matter to the ATF if you have a bill of sale or not. Now, I do personally keep a bill of sale for every deal I make, regardless if the buyer wants one, but that is a personal preference. I know that when the ATF agents came to my door, all I had to do was make a copy of the bill of sale and give that to them. It does simplify things and eliminates a few questions that they need to ask while they are at your door. The only thing they told me was don't call the guy and tip him off that we are coming and have a nice day.yall all get a little silly here.... lol... i can only speak from first hand experience.
about 3 years ago i bought an ar pistol on this site, no bill of sale
sold the pistol to another member, no bill of sale...
eventually it was used in a officer involved shooting in br, chased the fella down and he was killed in the woods in baton rouge by the amite river...
about 5 days after it happened, 2 atf agents came to my house, asked me if i was so and so and if i remember owning an ar pistol... They very clearly stated, we dont care about what guns you got, what nfa items you got, where they are, and who you buy or sell from, we just want you to look at the gun and tell me if you remember it... so i did and i said yes, they asked if i know who i sold it to, if not it was no biggie they just have to follow the paper trail.... i said no i dont have a bill of sale and they said ok if you can think of anything else give us a call....
thats it.... end of the story.... so, all the conspiracy theory's that you would have to prove you are innocent and you didnt have the gun, you didnt sell it to sombody without looking at there lic, or making sure they were legal to on or you going to jail ect is just that.....
btw they have at least 4 other active members on here that can confirm my story along with a few admins lol
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