Today is a day full of myth busting!

[Jack]

First we learn that irresponsibly open carrying is a bad thing and hurts the cause(Starbucks) and now we are learning open carrying can make you a target for robbery. Who would've thunk it?

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/95999354.html?lc=Smart

 

[alpinehyperlite]

One of the biggest reasons I'm against oc personally. I kinda find it comically ironic, and like I've said many many times. Go for the guy with the gun.

 

[doc ace]

Yep. Dudeman in the video needs to lay off of the deca btw.

 

[Sugarbug]

Yep. Dudeman in the video needs to lay off of the deca btw.

 

[TomTerrific]

A buddy on another list posted data for gun deaths.

There are about 20,000 gun deaths annually from suicides, a number greater than by homicide.

That works out to over fifty a day.

 

[Jack]

Yep. Dudeman in the video needs to lay off of the deca btw.

The HULK has a gun and you're still talking ****?

 

[JNieman]

Look I'm against open carrying for "tactical" reasons but I must say

An anecdote does not mean a thing. And the plural of anecdote is not data, as they say.

The fault here was not that he was open carrying. There were many things that went wrong, that he allowed to go wrong, before the bad guy was even at arms length.

Of course, bad guy also had a gun, so he was able to initiate the confrontation from further away than if he were unarmed at first. There's really not much you can do about that sometimes. Maybe if he had some ECQC training he could have done something.

**** happens, and it now happened to someone openly carrying a gun. Odds were that it'd happen eventually. I don't think there are really any conclusions to be drawn about open carry in general from this one situation that didn't exist before. This isn't a reinforcement or a condemnation on anything, I think. It's just proof that **** happens.

 

[Emperor]

Look I'm against open carrying for "tactical" reasons but I must say

An anecdote does not mean a thing. And the plural of anecdote is not data, as they say.

The fault here was not that he was open carrying. There were many things that went wrong, that he allowed to go wrong, before the bad guy was even at arms length.

Of course, bad guy also had a gun, so he was able to initiate the confrontation from further away than if he were unarmed at first. There's really not much you can do about that sometimes. Maybe if he had some ECQC training he could have done something.

**** happens, and it now happened to someone openly carrying a gun. Odds were that it'd happen eventually. I don't think there are really any conclusions to be drawn about open carry in general from this one situation that didn't exist before. This isn't a reinforcement or a condemnation on anything, I think. It's just proof that **** happens.

You do realize this is an "OFF TOPIC" discussion you are participating in; again?!?

 

[JNieman]

You do realize this is an "OFF TOPIC" discussion you are participating in; again?!?

No, it's a Carry or Current Event topic that's been placed in Off Topic. No, I did not realize it until you pointed it out. I found this thread from the "new posts" page.

You do realize you've done nothing but drag **** from /another/ off-topic thread into this thread, which is about guns, adding nothing to the actual topic - again. Right? Maybe if you post here again you'll have something to add about the actual topic put forth by the original post, yea?

 

[Emperor]

No, it's a Carry or Current Event topic that's been placed in Off Topic. No, I did not realize it until you pointed it out. I found this thread from the "new posts" page.

You do realize you've done nothing but drag **** from /another/ off-topic thread into this thread, which is about guns, adding nothing to the actual topic - again. Right?

Don't blame me! I have no control over where the admins put a discussion. But since some are so adamantly against the section, I figured they could see the same topic directory that I can BEFORE "contributing"; as you say!

And calm down, I am not trying to harass you. I'm just not a big fan of hypocrisy; whether it slips out from me or anyone else.

 

[JNieman]

Don't blame me! I have no control over where the admins put a discussion. But since some are so adamantly against the section, I figured they could see the same topic directory that I can BEFORE "contributing"; as you say!

And calm down, I am not trying to harass you. I'm just not a big fan of hypocrisy; whether it slips out from me or anyone else.

What's that have to do with open carry or being robbed at gun point?

 

[Jack]

No, it's a Carry or Current Event topic that's been placed in Off Topic. No, I did not realize it until you pointed it out. I found this thread from the "new posts" page.

You do realize you've done nothing but drag **** from /another/ off-topic thread into this thread, which is about guns, adding nothing to the actual topic - again. Right? Maybe if you post here again you'll have something to add about the actual topic put forth by the original post, yea?

Finish him!!!

 

[Vermiform]

Finish him!!!

 

[Sugarbug]

 

[Leadfoot]

As I have said many times before, the ONLY reason people OC is the intimidation factor.

If a potential mugger/robber/thief etc believes that he can overpower you physically, the gun is moot. He knows it's there and eliminates it first. This is why, for self defense purposes a concealed handgun is much more effective than one openly carried.

A concealed handgun can be deployed and it changes the whole dynamic of the situation.

If you are an overweight, out of shape individual, no one is going to fear you or take you seriously just because of the Ruger in the nylon holster on your hip. Give it a rest.

 

[TomTerrific]

As I have said many times before, the ONLY reason people OC is the intimidation factor.

If a potential mugger/robber/thief etc believes that he can overpower you physically, the gun is moot. He knows it's there and eliminates it first. This is why, for self defense purposes a concealed handgun is much more effective than one openly carried.

A concealed handgun can be deployed and it changes the whole dynamic of the situation.

If you are an overweight, out of shape individual, no one is going to fear you or take you seriously just because of the Ruger in the nylon holster on your hip. Give it a rest.

This is so true. Thanks Leadfoot for saying it.

A couple of my CHP instructors touched on the fact that often concealed carrying people think they are invulnerable and in charge and that is hardly the case.

Situational awareness is the one most important thing in potentially dangerous situations.

Every class also emphasized that a CHP doesn't make you a LEO. It's for self-defense.

 

[Emperor]

As I have said many times before, the ONLY reason people OC is the intimidation factor.

If a potential mugger/robber/thief etc believes that he can overpower you physically, the gun is moot. He knows it's there and eliminates it first. This is why, for self defense purposes a concealed handgun is much more effective than one openly carried.

A concealed handgun can be deployed and it changes the whole dynamic of the situation.

If you are an overweight, out of shape individual, no one is going to fear you or take you seriously just because of the Ruger in the nylon holster on your hip. Give it a rest.

Can't you be denied a CHP (for something), but still have the OC as an option? Only because "only" is wide net.

 

[Leadfoot]

Can't you be denied a CHP (for something), but still have the OC as an option? Only because "only" is wide net.

I was speaking to a certain demographic and everyone knows who they are.

Since I am not involved in approving or rejecting anyone who applies for a CHL or approving or rejecting anyone who may purchase a firearm, I cannot comment on OC being an only option.

 

[Emperor]

I was speaking to a certain demographic and everyone knows who they are.

Since I am not involved in approving or rejecting anyone who applies for a CHL or approving or rejecting anyone who may purchase a firearm, I cannot comment on OC being an only option.

Any person that OC's a firearm for the reason that you described is an idiot! I know those of who you speak would never admit that (they should; at least to themselves in the mirror), but should any of you be reading this; and you are that guy; please rethink your logic. That really is a pathetic reason to carry openly!

 

[SVT]

The very few times I've OC'ed, I've felt it would be easier to draw the gun if needed. I CC 98% of the time, but always feel paranoid about drawing quickly enough.

That's really the only benefit I can see to OC, it's a quicker draw for me. Maybe I'm doing it wrong though and need some learnin'.