Aug 1st

[Hitman]

Starting 8/1/14 anyone possessing a STATE issued CHP can present it to the FFL and they will not have to call in the 4473. Instead of filling out box #21 a-f you fill out #23. You still must fulfill the requirements of 20a as well.

Some parish Sheriffs give out CHP for their parish. These DO NOT fulfill the ATF requirement.

As seen here;

 

[freedive10]

Now if they would only allow CHP holders to be exempt from the Form4 background yearly wait,

 

[Lets_Ride]

As a legal resident alien, I always had to provide 3 months utility bills to prove residence. Does anyone know if my CHP will now override this requiement?

 

[Emperor]

As a legal resident alien, I always had to provide 3 months utility bills to prove residence. Does anyone know if my CHP will now override this requiement?

That is a great observation! If the be all, end all of evil firearms retail purchase is the form 4473; and your state issued CHP will negate the check, you'd think it would supercede just about any ID here at state level. In that regard, it's already more important than your Social Security card.

It certainly is worth more!

Get it! There won't be any money left by the time most of you need S/S.

 

[Lets_Ride]

Oh I have it. In New Orleans - you kiddin' me!!!

 

[patterbs]

North Carolina has been doing this for a while now

 

[rcm192]

Ive been wondering if atf was going to contact us at work about this....Does ATF have to send out a approval letter for ffls to legally perform sales this way?

 

[Hitman]

Ive been wondering if atf was going to contact us at work about this....Does ATF have to send out a approval letter for ffls to legally perform sales this way?

It's my understanding that it's an already approved allowance by the ATF for States with the legislation on the books.

Whether or not States allow such is up to them.

 

[geoney]

ATF will send a letter to all FFL's once it is approved. The law goes into affect on AUg 1, but there has to be some things worked out with LSP and ATF before it goes into action. Essentially LSP must do a NICS check on every person applying for a CHP. AUG 1 is not an automatic date.

 

[JBP55]

ATF will send a letter to all FFL's once it is approved. The law goes into affect on AUg 1, but there has to be some things worked out with LSP and ATF before it goes into action. Essentially LSP must do a NICS check on every person applying for a CHP. AUG 1 is not an automatic date.

So you do not agree with post 20?

 

[geoney]

So you do not agree with post 20?

No sir. Spoke with one of the ATF Examiners that deals with people during the FFL application process, thatI know in the area asking specifically about if we could go in with our CHP on August 1st, and she said that it has not been finalized and FFL's should not begin doing so until they have received the notification letter from ATF.

She stated that LSP has to be set-up and sign some "agreement paperwork" that they will perform NICS checks for CHP apps. Also, only applies to 5 year permits... NOT LIFETIME apparently.

This is also located on the LSP CHP page:

http://www.lsp.org/handguns.html

"The passage of Act 221 of the 2014 Regular Session of the Louisiana Legislature amends La. R.S. 40:1379.3 to require the Department of Public Safety to conduct a check on every Concealed Handgun Permit applicant through the National Instant Background Check System (NICS) of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. As stated in the ACT, approval from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms must be obtained before the permit may be used in lieu of the NICS check. (Effective upon approval from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms)
Upon Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms approval, the possession of a current and valid 5-year Concealed Handgun Permit shall constitute sufficient evidence of the background check required pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(t) for the purchase of a firearm. However, possession of a Concealed Handgun Permit that has a Lifetime designation shall not constitute sufficient evidence of the background check pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 922(t).

The Concealed Handgun Permit Unit will make an announcement identifying the date a permit may be used in lieu of a NICS check."

 

[InterstateGuns]

Go figure you talk to two different agents and you get two different answers.

John Cieutat is the investigator who did our inspection and who I got my info from.

 

[Hitman]

So you telling me LSP doesn't have their **** together enough to have this ready to go by Aug 1st?

 

[Emperor]

So you telling me LSP doesn't have their **** together enough to have this ready to go by Aug 1st?

Unless there is a provision in the "New" Louisiana Statute that says implementation is allowable to be delayed for "ATF" someone could sue somebody on August 1, and win!

 

[Hitman]

Unless there is a provision in the "New" Louisiana Statute
that says implementation is allowable to be delayed for "ATF" someone could sue somebody on August 1, and win!

Well that's sort of my point.

The State has passed a law, signed by the Gov.
...and LSP doesn't have their **** in on time for it to be implemented?

Someone's going to get a nasty gram

 

[Emperor]

Well that's sort of my point.

The State has passed a law, signed by the Gov.
...and LSP doesn't have their **** in on time for it to be implemented?

Someone's going to get a nasty gram

Not everyone is as patient and understanding when it comes to crap like this, and some are lawyers!

 

[Snoman]

Several days ago I spoke with Shreveport ATF and in general the conversation was similar to that of geoney. One concern I have is that unless the state of Louisiana runs the NICS check on all "current" CHP holders, this change may only help those whose permit is issued/re-issued after Aug 1. Note on the list in the link below how many state CHP holders are exempt only if their permit was issued after a certain date.

https://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/brady-law/permit-chart.html

The only way your CHP will make you exempt from a NICS check for each form 4473 is if you satisfied the NICS check when your CHP was issued (and obviously if your CHP remains valid). Current CHP holders have a problem if the appropriate NICS check was not done prior to Aug 1. The Shreveport ATF office told me that before the recent law change, the background check that LSP ran for issuing CHP permits did not conform with the FBI's NICS background check. The law signed by Jindal requires the NICS check for CHP holders effective Aug 1.

I really hope I am wrong / misinformed.

 

[Hitman]

So are you not run through the NICS when applying for a CHP?

Is that not part of the background check?

 

[Snoman]

I thought the NICS check was done for the CHP as well, but the agent told me that the database used by the NICS system was not the same database previously used by LSP for the CHP. Like I said, I hope he was wrong.

 

[Emperor]

This sure seems like a lot of unnecessary ******** just to save 5 minutes at the gun store!

You could always just let them run the 4473 as usual and spend the extra 5 minutes telling the counter guy why a .45 has more knockdown power than a .9mm.