If serious about doing some tests soon I have a good bit of 1/2 and 5/8 sheet-rock you can have left over from my building. I'm in Loranger, hop skip and a jump from Robert.
I'll buy the 2x4s if someone wants to frame.
If serious about doing some tests soon I have a good bit of 1/2 and 5/8 sheet-rock you can have left over from my building. I'm in Loranger, hop skip and a jump from Robert.
I was recently asked to contribute To a Round Table Discussion in Ballistic Magazine. The topic was Home Defense Weapons, what I chose , and why. I thought i would share my thoughts here:
Home Defense Weapon of Choice: Daniel Defense Mk18
Why? The Mk18 gives me a proven,super reliable platform capable of defeating any threat that I am likely to encounter in my home. There are a variety of excellent ammo choices available that will defeat soft body armor without posing an over penetration risk to my family. My personal choice is the 77gr SMK loaded by Black Hills. I use the Mk18 extensively at work so having the common platform at home is a big plus.
Modification: On my home defense rifle I keep things pretty basic. I have added the Unity Tactical VTAC Micro Hub with fixed Iron Sight, Surefire M300B Scout Light, and a VTAC MkII Sling. I also use the excellent Giselle Super V Trigger. The Super V is reliable and effective, and since I also have one in my work rifle , it insures consistent platform performance.
Most folks that could afford this weapon probably don't need a home defense weapon as much as those that can't. Just assuming here, but I hope your roundtable discussion offered the vast majority of the population a more realistic alternative as far as practicality and economic reality goes?!?
Most folks that could afford this weapon probably don't need a home defense weapon as much as those that can't. Just assuming here, but I hope your roundtable discussion offered the vast majority of the population a more realistic alternative as far as practicality and economic reality goes?!?
My point not directed at VG is they can afford it if thats there priority and choice. You can't bring the debate (not my words) from an $1800 rifle to a stick. There are a lot of affordable choices in between. if you choose the $1800 rifle then adjust your lifestyle to afford it. Its attainable if you choose to own it. Now if your income dosnt allow it and you cannot adjust your lifestlye to afford it then their are many other firearm options that will suit the Right to self defense. But don't tell me you have a $150 cable tv bill with a Tv in every room or $200 a month cell phone bill, or a hobby and you can't adjust your lifestlye to afford something else.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-3-the-shotgun-meets-the-box-o-truth/
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-14-rifles-shotguns-and-walls/
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/
Here's a couple links to shotgun, rifle, and pistol tests on dry wall I just came across...
I never have put much thought into different bullets penetrating walls, so personally I have no clue what would happen, but now you got me excited to shoot some walls up! ha ha. I do like the idea of being able to defeat soft body armor with 556, and I also don't know how many home invaders actually dawn soft body armor vs hard plate. I know if I was going to deliberately put myself in a situation where I thought I would be shot, such as invading someones home, I would want a hard plate. I have absolutely no expertise in that field, just simply spilling the logic in my head. But now that I think about it, if someone did have hard body armor, it would probably be easier to put a head shot on them with a rifle than with a pistol at my skill level.
Well ok. Hopefully that concludes the nonsensical interlude. My offer stands if you need a budget self defense gun PM me and I'll be happy to give you some options.
If you had to setup a home defense AR for 2k what would it be?
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I respectfully disagree. That may be true when standing still and shooting a few shots at a stationary paper target on a one way range, but the reality is that assailants don’t stand still, they often come in groups of two or more, and they shoot back.
At best a shotgun will hold an average of 8 rounds and reloading is slow and clumsy- without adding stress to the equation. Overall, shotguns are long, heavy, unwieldy, low capacity and have an obnoxious level of felt recoil. Further, shotgun ballistics are not particularly predictable- it is not unusual for at least one pellet of 00 buck to miss a human size target at 20 yards. My personal discipline and the basic rules of guns safety dictate that I am responsible for every shot that I take, and therefore, I want to be sure that I know where it is going. That is not necessarily possible with a shotgun.
The amount of time it takes me to put three well placed 5.56 rounds into the A zone of an IPSC target at 25 yards is negligibly longer than pulling the trigger on a shotgun. I can quickly move from target to target, and track moving targets, without massive recoil pushing me around. Upon depletion of my 30 rounds, I can have the gun loaded with another 30 rounds in just a few seconds, and barely have to move the gun from my shoulder in doing so.
Unfortunately, a lot of folks grew up with their grandfathers telling them that shotguns are the best weapon to have inside a house, "because you can just point it down the hallway and pull the trigger." I think that we can all agree that military and law enforcement personnel are the trailblazers for civilians in terms of personal protection and offensive action. Try this: do a Google image search of "Swat entry team" and count how many shotguns versus rifles you see.
I’ve done a fair amount of training (18,000 to 20,000 rounds) with shotguns, rifles, carbines and pistols. My conclusion is that shotguns are fun to shoot and they are good for busting doors and hunting birds and squirrels. Outside of that, give me my AR any day. By the way, I disagree with VG, in that I would take my Glock over a shotgun in a home defense scenario every time.
Edited: I won't claim to have done "exhaustive" training.