LSU's steps to being safer?

[alpinehyperlite]

Wow!

Again, some people need to just own up to being liberals.

So ou are saying that the individuals who drafted up the Bill of Rights did not decide those rights and that they magically appeared on the paper?

 

[AustinBR]

Wow. I forgot that college kids would simply start killing each other anytime they disagree.



Exactly. "I am good enough, but noone else is." "I need it, but nobody else does."

And yeah, we all went to college, we know that some of these students are idiots, but outside of college, the world is even more full of idiots, and we let them carry with and without permits.

I think some of these guys need to wake up and acknowledge that they're liberals. It's okay to be a liberal, just be honest with yourself.

Missing the point guys. Let's make the age to get a CHL 18...or 17...or 16 while at it. In general we can argue that a 16 year old is not mature enough (on average) to have a concealed weapon on their person. My argument is simply that a 21 year old in college is not mature enough either. Of course there will be some that are, just as there will be 16 year olds mature enough. I am all about gun rights, but I look at it from a practical approach. Further, I would argue that many of the people in college might be mature enough to have a CHL in most cases would not be when surrounded by their peers. People tend to do dumb things because their friends are there. I'm not saying there would be people getting shot, but there'd likely be lots of brandishing.

Name calling is silly and immature guys. Play nice.

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[MOTOR51]

So ou are saying that the individuals who drafted up the Bill of Rights did not decide those rights and that they magically appeared on the paper?

If you don't agree with them they call you a liberal and spout off about "God given rights". It's just the way it is around the BS community now. All anyone that was on the fence about siding with gun vs anti-gun is read a few comments just in this thread. It gets old coming in here and trying to have a rational discussion because if you don't believe in anything other than doing whatever, whenever you want then you are wrong.


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[whitsend]

Missing the point guys. Let's make the age to get a CHL 18...or 17...or 16 while at it. In general we can argue that a 16 year old is not mature enough (on average) to have a concealed weapon on their person. My argument is simply that a 21 year old in college is not mature enough either. Of course there will be some that are, just as there will be 16 year olds mature enough. I am all about gun rights, but I look at it from a practical approach. Further, I would argue that many of the people in college might be mature enough to have a CHL in most cases would not be when surrounded by their peers. People tend to do dumb things because their friends are there. I'm not saying there would be people getting shot, but there'd likely be lots of brandishing.

Name calling is silly and immature guys. Play nice.

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So should we change the age for a CHP to 25 or 30?
If 21 is old enough to carry concealed off campus, it is old enough to carry on campus.
If 21 is not old enough to carry concealed on campus, it is not old enough to carry off campus.

 

[Vermiform]

So should we change the age for a CHP to 25 or 30?
If 21 is old enough to carry concealed off campus, it is old enough to carry on campus.
If 21 is not old enough to carry concealed on campus, it is not old enough to carry off campus.

We should raise the drinking age as well while we are at it.

 

[AustinBR]

So should we change the age for a CHP to 25 or 30?
If 21 is old enough to carry concealed off campus, it is old enough to carry on campus.
If 21 is not old enough to carry concealed on campus, it is not old enough to carry off campus.

I think the ultimate solution is to keep the age and require more training to get a CHL. The fact that an 8 hour book course and a super simple qualification is enough is somewhat problematic to me. Education is always a great thing. Require more of it.

There is already a rule for education. I'm just arguing make it more education. That's it. That was my point all along. That currently it's too easy and it could be problematic with current college students. More training and education would (in my opinion) solve it.

We should raise the drinking age as well while we are at it.

I wrote a paper on that last year. Really wouldn't be a bad idea...except for the fact that people wouldn't really like it much.

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[Emperor]

Missing the point guys. Let's make the age to get a CHL 18...or 17...or 16 while at it. In general we can argue that a 16 year old is not mature enough (on average) to have a concealed weapon on their person. My argument is simply that a 21 year old in college is not mature enough either. Of course there will be some that are, just as there will be 16 year olds mature enough. I am all about gun rights, but I look at it from a practical approach. Further, I would argue that many of the people in college might be mature enough to have a CHL in most cases would not be when surrounded by their peers. People tend to do dumb things because their friends are there. I'm not saying there would be people getting shot, but there'd likely be lots of brandishing.

Name calling is silly and immature guys. Play nice.

--Sent From My Galaxy S6

So should we change the age for a CHP to 25 or 30?
If 21 is old enough to carry concealed off campus, it is old enough to carry on campus.
If 21 is not old enough to carry concealed on campus, it is not old enough to carry off campus.

We should raise the drinking age as well while we are at it.

Think about this: 31 of 50 United States has an age of consent at 16 years old. Where is the logic that suggests a 16 yo is mature enough to have consensual sex; but an 18 yo is too immature and stupid to carry a gun?

I think the stats will show at almost ridiculously disproportionate levels that people 16-19 that have had consensual sex have inflicted more damage (unwed births, drug addicted births, poverty, fatherless children, abandoned children, abortion, disease, etc.), to themselves (and in the case of abortion alone; other humans), and the country in general than any 16-19 yo with a gun.

Someone tell me how firearms in the hands of these people is more dangerous than their dicks or their vaginas?

Now, if you want to start parsing; you can then pull out blacks versus whites versus Asians, or girls versus boys, or educated versus non-educated, cops versus civilians, and on and on. But that is not what the Constitution intended, did it?

 

[Emperor]

I think the ultimate solution is to keep the age and require more training to get a CHL. The fact that an 8 hour book course and a super simple qualification is enough is somewhat problematic to me. Education is always a great thing. Require more of it.

There is already a rule for education. I'm just arguing make it more education. That's it. That was my point all along. That currently it's too easy and it could be problematic with current college students. More training and education would (in my opinion) solve it.

Constitution + Freedom of choice = Some may? But force them? No thanks! Just sitting here, we are less free today than just yesterday! And I mean yesterday as in Wednesday, October 7!

 

[sliguns]

Someone tell me how firearms in the hands of these people is more dangerous than their dicks or their vaginas?

How can I place this in my sig

 

[Emperor]

What not to do when concealing on college campuses, or at least Home Depot!

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/10/woman_with_concealed_carry_per.html#incart_river

She must be a stockholder!

 

[sliguns]

What not to do when concealing on college campuses, or at least Home Depot!

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/10/woman_with_concealed_carry_per.html#incart_river

She must be a stockholder!

She must be one of those college students everyone is warning us about

 

[Emperor]

She must be one of those college students everyone is warning us about

Can you imagine the carnage at LSU if a senior has his car towed by campus police?

 

[sliguns]

Can you imagine the carnage at LSU if a senior has his car towed by campus police?

The streets would run RED!

We need more gun control, hence, we should all vote for Hillary or Sanders. At a minimum, do not vote for Cruz/Paul b/c they might lessen the gun control.

 

[Whitebread]

It's not that they aren't responsible enough, it's that they haven't been through enough training. A CHL class really isn't enough.

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What about a baseball bat or hammer? Whats the right amount of training to use one of those as a defensive weapon? See this is the problem with many even the pro gun crowd. All I need to be qualified to protect myself with a gun is a will to servive and defend others. Any additional training simply increases my chances for survival. If you noticed someone about to drown would you double check to see if the have been certified in using floatation devices or would you pick up a raft and throw it to them?

 

[AustinBR]

What about a baseball bat or hammer? Whats the right amount of training to use one of those as a defensive weapon? See this is the problem with many even the pro gun crowd. All I need to be qualified to protect myself with a gun is a will to servive and defend others. Any additional training simply increases my chances for survival. If you noticed someone about to drown would you double check to see if the have been certified in using floatation devices or would you pick up a raft and throw it to them?

Collateral damage with a baseball bat or hammer is a lot harder to produce than with a firearm.

Many would simply jump in and try to save the drowning person. No thoughts, just jump right on in to the body of water. An educated (or intelligent) person would evaluate the situation and find a way to save the drowning person and himself in the process. Getting a drowning person out of a body of water is not always the simplest task. There are lots of variables to consider. Jumping in blindly without taking a second to look around could very easily yield to both parties drowning, even if the second one was just trying to help.

Yes, you could just jump in and hope for the best, but taking a second or two and evaluating would likely make a big difference. I argue the same holds true for CHL holders. Someone with moderate training would be much more able to save themselves and others (if they so choose). Low to no training could very easily yield to unnecessary collateral damage.

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[DAVE_M]

Collateral damage with a baseball bat or hammer is a lot harder to produce than with a firearm.

Many would simply jump in and try to save the drowning person. No thoughts, just jump right on in to the body of water. An educated (or intelligent) person would evaluate the situation and find a way to save the drowning person and himself in the process. Getting a drowning person out of a body of water is not always the simplest task. There are lots of variables to consider. Jumping in blindly without taking a second to look around could very easily yield to both parties drowning, even if the second one was just trying to help.

Yes, you could just jump in and hope for the best, but taking a second or two and evaluating would likely make a big difference. I argue the same holds true for CHP holders. Someone with moderate training would be much more able to save themselves and others (if they so choose). Low to no training could very easily yield to unnecessary collateral damage.

--Sent From My Galaxy S6

I agree.

Unfortunately, most CHP holders fall into the low to no training category. Unless you consider the mandatory CHP course to be moderate.

IMO, proper training involves knowing how to assess a threat, how to react, and when lethal force is necessary. Most (not all) courses, from what I've seen, are taught by unqualified "instructors" that are just teaching people how to put more holes in paper.

 

[MOTOR51]

She must be one of those college students everyone is warning us about

You are making a joke about a very realistic scenario.


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[AustinBR]

I agree.

Unfortunately, most CHP holders fall into the low to no training category. Unless you consider the mandatory CHP course to be moderate.

IMO, proper training involves knowing how to assess a threat, how to react, and when lethal force is necessary. Most (not all) courses, from what I've seen, are taught by unqualified "instructors" that are just teaching people how to put more holes in paper.

Which is my point. If we want students, teachers, janitors, or anyone to be able to have a gun on campus - make them go through extra training. Hell, I think that the current CHL training is not enough. It's not like it's that oppressive. Have any of y'all taken the drivers test in the past ten years? It's not exactly easy by any means. I'd argue that the freaking driving test is actually harder than the CHL test, and that says something. So I'm not saying take away everyone's rights, I'm just saying require education that is actually useful.

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[sliguns]

You are making a joke about a very realistic scenario.


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My apologies to your jimmies

 

[DAVE_M]

Which is my point. If we want students, teachers, janitors, or anyone to be able to have a gun on campus - make them go through extra training. Hell, I think that the current CHL training is not enough. It's not like it's that oppressive. Have any of y'all taken the drivers test in the past ten years? It's not exactly easy by any means. I'd argue that the freaking driving test is actually harder than the CHL test, and that says something. So I'm not saying take away everyone's rights, I'm just saying require education that is actually useful.

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I don't think there should be more training required to get the permit, but I do believe there should be more training required than once every 5 years.

This is a pet peeve of mine, but there is no L in Concealed Handgun Permit. It's a CHP; not a CHL, CCP, CCL, CWL, CWP, or CCW.