*Update* (Didn't ) loose my job because of my remarks about Al Sharpton

[gmshooter]

sorry to hear that my friend. Let me know if i can help in anyway.

 

[JadeRaven]

Little dense here...you think what he said is racist ??

It sounds to me from his post that he said he wants to invite al sharpton to his parish and "make him a Martyre" (sic).

I am not 100% on what a Martyre is, but it sounds to me as if he said he wants not only to kill Al, but to kill him for what he believes in.

Now maybe I'm wrong, Mr. Vigilante Sniper is a bartender and a "Martyre" is a cool alcoholic beverage, and he wants to make Al a refreshing drink.

Other than that is sounds pretty racist. He might not be a racist, but to a reasonably thinking person that is how it easily comes across.

I am just saying, if I was an employer, I would try to shy away from employing people to represent my company who make openly violent racist (or otherwise highly morally objectionable) remarks. If someone wants to keep his thoughts to himself, great, but once they go voicing them, then it reflects poorly on the company. I wouldn't want to hire someone who cussed every other word, either.

 

[JadeRaven]

Also please let me add I do not mean to judge, and I apologize if I have done so. I don't want to accuse anyone of being a racist, and I hope things turn out well for you.

 

[Vigilante Sniper]

It sounds to me from his post that he said he wants to invite al sharpton to his parish and "make him a Martyre" (sic).

I am not 100% on what a Martyre is, but it sounds to me as if he said he wants not only to kill Al, but to kill him for what he believes in.

Now maybe I'm wrong, Mr. Vigilante Sniper is a bartender and a "Martyre" is a cool alcoholic beverage, and he wants to make Al a refreshing drink.

Other than that is sounds pretty racist. He might not be a racist, but to a reasonably thinking person that is how it easily comes across.

I am just saying, if I was an employer, I would try to shy away from employing people to represent my company who make openly violent racist (or otherwise highly morally objectionable) remarks. If someone wants to keep his thoughts to himself, great, but once they go voicing them, then it reflects poorly on the company. I wouldn't want to hire someone who cussed every other word, either.

I don't think there is any employer who really thinks they can only hire people who have no personal opinions on way or the other. It's a sad world we live in now that we have to worry about our livelyhood, or being employed because of our beliefs. What to say a company wouldn't hire someone because they ar Catholic, or not hire someone because the don't eat meat, you get the idea. You should hire people who are willing to work hard and do their jobs, and not worry so much about what they believe in. Some companies are all about public relations, they give a lot of money to United Way, the community, incourage volunteerism in the community, and that keeps ordinary people in the dark about what really goes on in a corporation, and how they make their money, or the unethical way they treat their exempt salaried employees. Its all about the profit, and public preception, but the back door dealings, bribery, payola, and other ways of doing business that aren't ethical are hidden from the public. For example, when I worked for Shell, we had to take a course on ethical behavior and what not to do every year, yet our executives got caught bribing Nigerian official so they can get that oil and make some money. Fine example they set.

 

[Russo]

i wouldn't have said, what you said... but my attorney is black and we often talk about race relations...

 

[t-train]

It sounds to me from his post that he said he wants to invite al sharpton to his parish and "make him a Martyre" (sic).

I am not 100% on what a Martyre is, but it sounds to me as if he said he wants not only to kill Al, but to kill him for what he believes in.

Now maybe I'm wrong, Mr. Vigilante Sniper is a bartender and a "Martyre" is a cool alcoholic beverage, and he wants to make Al a refreshing drink.

Other than that is sounds pretty racist. He might not be a racist, but to a reasonably thinking person that is how it easily comes across.

I am just saying, if I was an employer, I would try to shy away from employing people to represent my company who make openly violent racist (or otherwise highly morally objectionable) remarks. If someone wants to keep his thoughts to himself, great, but once they go voicing them, then it reflects poorly on the company. I wouldn't want to hire someone who cussed every other word, either.

Just for arguments sake. Replace good ol Al's name with Bin Laden in reference to "make him a Martyre"... Do you still consider it racist?

ETA: In no way am I comparing Al and BL. Just curious...

 

[Speedlace]

Personally I dislike Al Sharpton for a ton of reasons, none of which are because of his color. I don't give a dang what color someone's skin is, it's how they act that's important. And Al Sharpton is a loud mouth piece of trash, it's people like him that make everything a race issue. I see nothing racist in the OP's comments. I just see someone who dislikes someone else, he never mentioned why he didn't like him.

+1..... I absolutely cannot stand Al, for the same reasons. I have black friends, and I don't judge one by his skin color. Its your actions and the way you carry yourself that counts. People like Al Sharpton only make things worse when it comes to racism, and we, black or white, would be better off without these **** stirrers.

Just for arguments sake. Replace good ol Al's name with Bin Laden in reference to "make him a Martyre"... Do you still consider it racist?

ETA: In no way am I comparing Al and BL. Just curious...

This is not about race.

He said he would make a "martyre" of a public civil rights figure who has had death threats thrown in his direction before and has hired private guards since the 1980's.

 

[JLouv]

....
Other than that is sounds pretty racist. He might not be a racist, but to a reasonably thinking person that is how it easily comes across.

Reasonably thinking person?? WTF are you talking about? A "reasonably thinking person" would think the OP really doesn't like Al.

Now if the OP would have said, "I'd love to f****** kill that n***** Al Sharton..."

well, THAT would be racist to any "reasonable" person. But that's not what he said now is it?


PS: If you could fill in the blanks easily on your first try, then you may very well be racist. Or maybe you just hate Al...

 

[Pale Horse]

 

[Mojo Rider]

How is any of what VS said in any way racist? Al Sharpton's repeated attention grabbing antics have had a very negative impact on the improvment of race relations in america for many years. His speech and actions perpetuate the racial tension that most are working hard to eliminate. He's been an embarrassment to many in the black community as well. Any tolerant, compassionate, caring and color blind individual that wishes an end to the racial division in this country will understand VS's comment. This would include VS's boss...right?

 

[SirIsaacNewton]

How is any of what VS said in any way racist? Al Sharpton's repeated attention grabbing antics have had a very negative impact on the improvment of race relations in america for many years. His speech and actions perpetuate the racial tension that most are working hard to eliminate. He's been an embarrassment to many in the black community as well. Any tolerant, compassionate, caring and color blind individual that wishes an end to racial division in this country will understand VS's comment. This would include VS's boss...right?

Well it isn't about the content of what he said it is about the perception. Kinda like telling your wife she doesn't look good in horizontal stripes and her perceiving it as your a fat ass.....

It sounds like a comment made in passing out of frustration. It was perceived differently or possibly even as a way for some low life to move up in the ranks. Who knows if the person who reported him was even of a different race.....

 

[Mojo Rider]

Well it isn't about the content of what he said it is about the perception. Kinda like telling your wife she doesn't look good in horizontal stripes and her perceiving it as your a fat ass.....

my point exactly...only a racist person would interpret the statement as being racist and we know his boss wouldn't want that label....could cost him his job.

 

[Leadfoot]

Wow. Good luck, VS, but it looks to me like you've really **** the bed on this one.

 

[Yrdawg]

Wow. Good luck, VS, but it looks to me like you've really **** the bed on this one.

Why ??

 

[oleheat]

To be fair, you do have to at least wonder if the same uproar would have taken place if the subject would've been another controversial figure- like David Duke, for instance....

To me, they are one in the same....

 

[Cat]

Well. Regardless the outcome, it's probably time to look for something new. It will be a tense working atmosphere after this, and that's not a fun place to be.

 

[Leadfoot]

Why ??

Why? Because apparently you don't get out into the world much and know how these things play out when you have a situation like this arise and you have "offended" minorities on the warpath over it.

Do I personally think what he said was bad/wrong? No. But I'm pretty sure he was just making a comment, not an actual threat.

Do I think it was a bonehead thing to say, when it could be overheard by mixed company who is possibly looking for a reason to stab someone in the back? Absolutely.

I learned a long time ago to NEVER say ANYTHING at work about ANY subject that could come back and bite me in the ass. This is a prime example. In ANY workplace, there are always those people who are troublemakers and will use something like this to their advantage or to hurt you if they can.

 

[edrodhdfb]

Might help to use your free time to take a Diversity course. That's what most companies do with employees instead of firing them for "hearsay" comments. They don't want to force you to lawyer up. Plus, doing it yourself shows that you are making an effort to change in case you have to explain yourself to your superiors later. And, yes Sharpton is a "Douche Bag".

 

[jimdana1942]

You were having a casual conversation and now look at the "blown out of proportion" statement that others are taking out of context.

But it's okay in America for the Black Panthers to put a bounty on a white persons head. And they get scott clean away with it.

 

[Masonmedic]

As far as Im concerned......I wouldnt go down with a fight.They "heard" someone on the radio.....perhaps its wasnt you?Perhaps it was bleed over from ham radio or cb?Perhaps "they" have all conjured up a story and sticking together to get you dismissed because they or someone they know want your position??Perhaps they are the predjudice ones?Sounds to me like "hear say" and someone starting rumours!.......if it wasnt witnessed or video or voice recorded with analysis Id get a lawyer and sue the **** out of them.First thing I would do is IMMEDIATELY erase this thread and play dumb.Just my opinion