bill of sale sticky?

[chad]

Is that what your law Professor told you ?

No. What my attorney told me.

 

[Mr.Squatch]

shooting happens. bad guy dave is a suspect but there is no proof. Dave says I don't own that gun on the floor there.

original bill of sale says bob bought the gun. now bob is suspect. bob shows document signed by dave with dave's DL number on it, that says he bought that gun on the floor there.

whole new ballgame.

It may not save you. It may not hold up in court. It may not ever even come to light. Hopefully you'll never need to even be in a situation like this. But it couldn't hurt. I understand those who say they don't want to do them, free choice. I'm just putting it out there for those who might.

If you asked an individual to sign a document like this and he became defensive or stated that he is not allowed to purchase firearms due to a felony or such, would you still sell it to him? It is a useful tool. Up to you whether you choose to use it or not. If someone has an idea how to help out fellow shooters in any way, I hope they would offer it, stupid idea or not.

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[dantheman]

No. What my attorney told me.

Ask him how many times HE tested that theory . Anyway , the insurance thing I mentioned is fact . It happened to me .

 

[chad]

Ask him how many times HE tested that theory . Anyway , the insurance thing I mentioned is fact . It happened to me .

Nah man I'm not saying your thing is a lie. I'm just saying they have to prove you had possession. I think me saying no I sold it two weeks ago to ______, is about just as solid as me showing them a sheet of paper with some names and scribbles..

 

[dantheman]

It gives you a name and possibly contact info . The buyer could be suphoenad to testify . Might save your ass . It's a personal choice , but certainly not a bad thing if you decide to go that route .

 

[dantheman]

I get a reciept if possible . If the other party doesn't want to do that , then we shake hands and go about our business . For the insurance claim , I had to go back to the seller and get a reciept after the fact . It saved me about $400 . That was a lot of money 20 years ago .

 

[aard3]

I think it's CYA for both buyer and seller.

Gun X is used in a murder and found at the scene.
Request is made to trace the firearm... feds contact the manufacturer to find out what distributor they sold it to.
feds contact the distributor to find out what dealer they sold it to.
fed contact the dealer, and have them pull the 4473.

they then contact the person on the 4473. Now if you had a bill of sale, at this point you could get them one step closer in tracing the firearm...if you don't, your the last step in the chain.

Is it proof that you did something if you don't have a BOS? No
Is a BOS proof the person you sold it to did it? No.
Is this going to be a major PITA for you? Probably.

Alternatively, you purchase a firearm off BS.
You are then stopped for a traffic violation.
You inform the officer you are carrying, and he runs the firearm through NCIC.
Turns out the firearm is stolen... you are now in possession of stolen property.

If you had a BOS, it's at least something for them to go on... if you don't...

Aaron

 

[VeedUp]

you think a sheet of paper filled out by you without being notarized means anything?

this^^ if it isn't notarized its not worth you know what

 

[VeedUp]

Ask him how many times HE tested that theory . Anyway , the insurance thing I mentioned is fact . It happened to me .

Well that was nice of you agent to let you use a bill of sale that wasn't notarized on a claim, you must be a good customer. But the fact is you don't have to do a bill of sale with the sale of a firearm, even if you do one and have all my info and dl # I can still simple say it's not me and it's bogus without it being notarized its just that your word against mine. Which without any legal proof doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Just saying if you really want to cover youa ss do a transfer or get the BOS notarized.

 

[lsu fan]

I think it's CYA for both buyer and seller.

Gun X is used in a murder and found at the scene.
Request is made to trace the firearm... feds contact the manufacturer to find out what distributor they sold it to.
feds contact the distributor to find out what dealer they sold it to.
fed contact the dealer, and have them pull the 4473.

they then contact the person on the 4473. Now if you had a bill of sale, at this point you could get them one step closer in tracing the firearm...if you don't, your the last step in the chain.

Is it proof that you did something if you don't have a BOS? No
Is a BOS proof the person you sold it to did it? No.
Is this going to be a major PITA for you? Probably.

Alternatively, you purchase a firearm off BS.
You are then stopped for a traffic violation.
You inform the officer you are carrying, and he runs the firearm through NCIC.
Turns out the firearm is stolen... you are now in possession of stolen property.

If you had a BOS, it's at least something for them to go on... if you don't...
Aaron

THIS is why I get a BOS. It's just common sense.