Buffalo to seize guns from families following owners' funerals

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  • freedive10

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    A plan by police in Buffalo, N.Y., to begin confiscating the firearms of legal gun owners within days of their deaths is drawing fire from Second Amendment advocates.

    The plan is legal under a longstanding, but rarely enforced state law, but gun rights advocates say, with apologies to onetime NRA spokesman Charlton Heston, it is tantamount to prying firearms - some of which may have substantial monetary or sentimental value - from the cold, dead hands of law-abiding citizens.

    "They're quick to say they're going to take the guns," said Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association. "But they don't tell you the law doesn't apply to long guns, or that these families can sell [their loved one's] pistol or apply to keep it."

    King said enforcing the state law is the latest example of authorities targeting law-abiding gun owners, while doing little to secure the streets.

    "They're quick to say they're going to take the guns."
    - Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association

    Buffalo Police Commissioner Daniel Derrenda said at a press conference last week that the department will be sending people to collect guns that belong to pistol permit holders who had died so "they don't end up in the wrong hands." The department will cross reference pistol permit holders with death records and the guns will be collected when possible, he said.

    Derrenda said guns pose a threat if their owner is no longer alive to safeguard them, especially if a recently-deceased gun owner's home is burglarized.

    "At times they lay out there and the family is not aware of them and they end up just out on the street," he said, according to WGRZ.com.

    The state law says that if the permit holder dies, the estate has 15 days to dispose of the guns or turn them in to authorities, who can hold the weapons up to two years. LoHud.com reported that violation of the law by survivors is a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail and a fine.

    Pro-gun websites took Derrenda's comments as an affront to the Second Amendment, with BearingArms.com claiming authorities could "use the relative's pistol permit as the proverbial camel's nose under the tent to get at every firearm they can, hoping to remove all the firearms from the home while the family is at their most vulnerable."

    The state law has been in the books for years but not enforced, King said. The Erie County Sheriff's Office told FoxNews.com that it learned about the Buffalo police decision after the announcement, but has no plans to invoke it on a regular basis as the city of Buffalo does.

    Dominic Saraceno, a Buffalo defense attorney, said he anticipates legal challenges. He is concerned that family members may simply allow police to retrieve the guns while not realizing their value.

    "These gun collections can value into the hundreds of thousands," he said. "If a police officer came to my door without a warrant signed by a judge, I'm not giving them anything. Most people don't know that and get intimidated."

    Calls to Buffalo's mayor's office and to the police department were not returned. But the city has employed other programs, including buy-backs, to help counter gun violence. One such program took place in August and netted 840 guns. Critics of these buy-back programs say most people who turn in their guns are likely law-abiding citizens and these numbers do not necessarily estimate illegal guns off the streets.

    "I say to those critics, again, if we can get one of these guns off the streets that could be used to commit a crime or injure a member of our community, it's a good thing," Mayor Byron Brown told WIVB during the summer.
     

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    "No really officer, I don't know what my deceased family member did with their guns, there were none in the house when I got there." ;)
     
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    Buffalo Police Commissioner Daniel Derrenda said at a press conference last week that the department will be sending people to collect guns that belong to pistol permit holders who had died so "they don't end up in the wrong hands." The department will cross reference pistol permit holders with death records and the guns will be collected when possible, he said.

    Yep! Slight of hand always works to diminish crime in a city.

    http://www.buffalonews.com/city-reg...-still-ranks-fourth-in-violent-crime-20140628

    Hey; Mr. Dummy! The crime is over there!

    :doh:
     

    madwabbit

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    A few things on this.

    1: the article is somewhat misleading. If you don't have a will or surviving spouse, all property goes to the state. This isn't unusual. Could just as easily be underwear or toothbrushes as guns n ammo.

    2: If my dad leaves me his antique car and I don't have a drivers license, I can't use it legally- but I can own it. Thus, I predict that it'll hit supreme court as a property rights debate.

    3: using the death of registered gun owners to run background checks on their families is horse manure. I'm convinced that you've gotta be a special kind of sheep to survive up north.
     
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    A few things on this.

    1: the article is somewhat misleading. If you don't have a will or surviving spouse, all property goes to the state. This isn't unusual. Could just as easily be underwear or toothbrushes as guns n ammo.

    True! But they are spending (wasting), time specifically using permitees personal information to do this for these items.

    2: If my dad leaves me his antique car and I don't have a drivers license, I can't use it legally- but I can own it. Thus, I predict that it'll hit supreme court as a property rights debate.

    Without a doubt for me! However, it should never be an issue! ANYWHERE!


    3: using the death of registered gun owners to run background checks on their families is horse manure. I'm convinced that you've gotta be a special kind of sheep to survive up north.

    Don't allow them to spread!
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    kingfhb

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    Emperor is right! This is the problem we have today with our legal system and politicians. Laws are being created to cover laws already on the books! Just like Emperor said, when someone passes with no will, surviving siblings, spouse, children, all property is taken by the state. All this does is specifically outline detailed items which are or should already be covered under the law on the books.

    Unless there has been no law outlining it, and they are just now covering their asses. But you'd figure they would have made it a blanket law covering everything if that were the case.
     

    Rainsdrops

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    There are quite a few people that have niceties collections. Most of us consider our guns as investments / financial assests. I couldn't imagine voluntary giving an inherited investment over to anyone.
    I'm curious as to what happens to the pistols / sub guns once the are confiscated. The city government is going to destroy a s&w N frame collection? Sell colt pythons at auction, or just tag and lock up someones mp5 & tommy gun stash.

    Idiots
     

    Ironman26

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    I don't understand how the govt. gets around the second amendment ? If it's a right to keep and bare arms, how is the local law enforcement who swore to an oath to take office and the position as a representative of that law willfully and lawfully enforce that ? Why does it take such a short amount of time for them to confiscate weapons and us such a long time to get them back ? The same goes for crooked politicians in office ! Doesn't seem to law abiding to me !! I could replace the guns but no way in hell could they replace the sentimental value !!
     
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