Ccw .45 acp

[Larry Martin]

I am planning to buy a 45 for my CCW. I want something compact but still managable. Any.suggestions? Trying to stay within a $400 budget but still get reliability.

 

[S&W4ME]

I like my Glock 30

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[MikeR]

$400 good luck. I carry a S&W M&P45C...it's more than $500 though.

 

[deafdave3]

I am planning to buy a 45 for my CCW. I want something compact but still managable. Any.suggestions? Trying to stay within a $400 budget but still get reliability.

Bersa Thunder Pro Ultra-Compact .45ACP

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/24060

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

He said reliable.

 

[deafdave3]

He said reliable.

I say its a reliable gun. You can say whatever you wish.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

By what standard are you measuring reliability?

 

[deafdave3]

By what standard are you measuring reliability?

Give it up, Nate. You won't drag me down there.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Asking you to provide a metric
Or standard by which others can validate your claim? That's dragging you down?

 

[Golden Dragon]

KAHR CW45

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/...ACP-or-CW9-9mm-for-333-shipped&highlight=cw45

 

[beauxdog]

I'm with the Kahr, easy to conceal, light, slim and by some standards reliable.
JMO

Beauxdog

 

[deafdave3]

KAHR CW45

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/...ACP-or-CW9-9mm-for-333-shipped&highlight=cw45

Check on gunbroker. Looks like most of them go for under $400.

 

[Scott.Thornton]

A well used glock 36.

 

[noob]

I had a m&p45c that I sold for around 400 so that's possible but it's not a small gun, almost the exact same size as my g19 but heavier when loaded. Karh makes a 45 around your price range or a used g30 or g36. Some say the g36 has reliability issues but there's plenty that own then with no issues.

 

[SpeedRacer]

Asking you to provide a metric
Or standard by which others can validate your claim? That's dragging you down?

+1

 

[Sugarbug]

I like my Glock 30

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Will take some hunting, but you can find one for that price.

 

[Scott.Thornton]

I have shot a few of these (Bersa mini-45s) that came through the evidence process. They worked well enough (as far as functioning for three test rounds can be considered 'working'). But the concern I have with them is the same one I have regarding the Taurus PT Pro 145; another "mini-45".

Both of these guns display a TREMENDOUS drag mark on the fired brass. Known to non-scientific types as 'primer smear', what this means is that the guns are unlocking WAY before the pressure has dropped- and before the firing pin has even had time to retract back into the slide- which is very hard on the locking block and breech face/barrel hood areas of the firearm.

IOW, the long-term durability of the piece is in question. It may work fine... but for how long?

These mini-45s are not alone in this characteristic; I see it in numerous other designs. To me it indicates that the design engineers did not do a thorough job of ensuring that the timing of the piece is right. Whatever the cause may be, the effect is not open to debate; the guns are unlocking early, period. How detrimental this is to the firearm is on an individual basis.

Much is made of the "over-priced and over-hyped" HK pistols. Perhaps... but brass from them (to include the HK45C, which is just a bit larger than the two pistols in question here) does not display this drag mark, meaning the guns are not unlocking until the pressure has dropped and the bullet is out of there... which is a cornerstone of the original Browning locked-breech principal.

There are many heads to the Reliability Hydra. This is but one...

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Since I have come to respect your opinion on things, I'd like to know your thoughts on the small 1911 variant 45? Like a 1991a1 compact or the small springfields out now.

 

[Scott.Thornton]

I don't have much experience with these personally; but the general consensus among 1911 cognescenti is that the mini or "officer" size 1911s are hit-or-miss.

Many years ago, I read a document generated by Colt back in 1949/1950. It detailed the methods they went through when modifying the basic 1911 design to the Commander (for anticipated military trials). It stated that the 4.25" barrel length was the shortest that they were able to get long-term reliable functioning with. The double-spring recoil system was developed a couple of decades later to fix this; IIRC, excessive slide velocity is the main culprit when these mini-1911s choke. I might have that backwards.

I seem to recall that a detailed study of this was done (by Patrick Sweeney, maybe?) that showed the potential pitfalls of the mini-1911. To be honest, I was never interested enough in the concept to look into it further, but AFAIK some solid information is out there.

Sorry I couldn't offer more detailed info.

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All good, thanks man. Just don't down talk my glock 36.

 

[JBP55]

Since I have come to respect your opinion on things, I'd like to know your thoughts on the small 1911 variant 45? Like a 1991a1 compact or the small springfields out now.

PM Bac1023 on GT.

 

[Scott.Thornton]

PM Bac1023 on GT.

What is GT?