Columbia incident

[PPBart]

I'm surprised no one has posted about this yet, and this is NOT intended to bash LEOs. From viewing the videos, it does appear to me that the officer's actions were excessive -- but in a situation like this and a political climate like today, just how should it be handled?

A 16-yr old kid should have the sense and maturity to know that she is required to obey orders from authorities -- specifically, to quit texting in class, surrender her phone to the teacher, and/or leave the classroom, none of which she complied with. Videos taken by students and posted online show Officer Fields warning the girl to leave her seat or be forcibly removed. When she doesn't get up from her desk, the officer wraps a forearm around her neck, flips her and the desk backward onto the floor, tosses her toward the front of the classroom and handcuffs her.

It's interesting that the sheriff said the initial video made him want to "throw up", but he also said that a teacher and vice principal in the classroom at the time felt the officer acted appropriately.

Initial reports said the girl was not injured, but this morning I read that she now has a cast on her arm, she has neck and back injuries, and a Band-Aid on her forehead where she suffered rug burn. Of course, her family has already announced intentions to sue.

 

[DAVE_M]

IMO, I think it will be handled appropriately. Asking a bunch of average joes how it should be handled is never going to end well.

Excessive force? Maybe, but when I was in high school, there were more than a few 16 year old "children" that could take down an officer. When you're told if you don't comply, you will be forcibly removed, and you don't comply... Well... Then you're going to experience some force. It's a matter of someone getting upset and suing over excessive force.

As I've always said... I blame it on the parents. Why is your 16 year old texting in class and why is she disobedient?

 

[sandman7925]

After the warnings she received when he put his hands on her she started to struggle and fight. Which is why he threw her. Fuk her

 

[SVTFreak]

If this had been a thug on the street, we would be saying "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". Yeah she shoulda done what he said. You don't wanna get your ass kicked by the police? Do what they say. If they telling you wrong, don't argue with them. Take that up through legal system later.

 

[whitsend]

when I was in high school, there were more than a few 16 year old "children" that could take down an officer.

Like this?

 

[DAVE_M]

Like this?

Yup.

My freshman year, I was 6'-1" and worked out daily while on the football team. By my sophomore/junior year, I was bigger... and I wasn't the biggest kid in the room. Just because someone is considered a "child," doesn't mean they can't do physical harm.

 

[machinedrummer]

We will probably see more rioting. Let's see, new procedures for handling irate children. Empty classroom and wait for the federal negotiator to arrive to talk the student down. School marshals might be the answer. The media is pushing the agenda and it is working. One day we will have no local LE it will all be federal because we just can't trust the racist cops. Just when things couldn't get any worse.... Bacon can kill you! Just another agenda to make the mooslims feel more at home. Soon bacon will also be banned. It's already been removed from federal prisons and schools to make the moo slims happy. I say ban the 185mph 3800lb death machines that are going through our neighborhoods looking for innocent victims.

 

[Expert684]

So is Obama going to invite her to the White House and give a safe place to text from?

 

[whitsend]

I think that the 2 other adults in the room both said the force was appropriate speaks volumes. All we see is a few seconds on video. What all happened before the video? How long had they already been dealing with her? Evidently it was long enough for the teacher to get the principal involved and for the principal to get the officer involved.
If it was my kid, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But then again, I have taught my kids to respect authority and obey them that have the rule over you.
I primarily blame the parents for this.


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[rcm192]

I like how the media is bringing his personal life into the situation...oh he can bench 600lbs! Hes a pro body builder! Hes dating a black girl!...also they said he was known as coach slam around the school. hahaha!

 

[alpinehyperlite]

He went hands on to escort the female out of the room after refusing several orders to get up and exit (resisting, remaining after forbidden). She began to strike him in the face and chest (battery on law enforcement, resisting with violence <felony>) so he put her on the ground and handcuffed her. All verified by two adult witnesses and not what some low angled, shaky/blury and blocked video shows. What is the problem? Former deputy should sue the department for wrongful termination.

 

[Persecutor]

So after being put in a near impossible situation, what else is a LEO supposed to do. The teacher can't handle her, the principal can't handle her, so they request help from law enforcement. He attempts to de-escalate the situation. When that fails he attempts to remove the problem peacefully. When that fails he is forced to either use some type of force...or just give up, which would be shirking off his duties and leaving the responsible adults left out to dry. So he chooses his only responsible option...use reasonable force. His use of force is met with increasing physical resistance, and he is trained to respond in like fashion until he gains compliance. So....he responds EXACTLY as he is trained to, and his reward is termination and investigation for excessive use of force. Yea, put that on your recruiting literature when we find ourselves in serious need of quality young people to join law enforcement to protect and serve us!

 

[MTregre]

What I want to point out:

1. Notice how, even in todays climate as the OP pointed out, NO ONE even stands up to verbally support the girl, not even body language. This makes me question 100% what was going down. The other students obviously had enough of her.
2. The story, as I'm aware, stats she has already passed the point of simply "being removed from class" and was inline for arrest. This gives us scope.
3. Take a look at the type of desk she is in, its nearly all encompassing. Not an easy task to remove her from, anyone from, if force is needed.
4. She obviously physically resisted following disobedience to the teacher and officer.

Side note, I know many LEOs, work closely with them. The idea of "breaking contact" after making physical contact is not advised (LEO chime in if I am incorrect). After you choose to go hands on, you need to keep control of the situation and bring it to an end. A tired cop is less likely to successfully subdue a subject without injury to the subject or him/herself. A tired cop is also at a higher risk of being defeated and unable to actively protect the public in the vicinity.
We are also being told other videos are out/coming out. I have yet to see those. Audio would be nice. While it may have been excessive, I am still hard pressed to speak against the LEO.

Mike

PS - most must think picking up the desk w/her in it and walking it out of the classroom should have been the only option.

 

[MTregre]

So after being put in a near impossible situation, what else is a LEO supposed to do. The teacher can't handle her, the principal can't handle her, so they request help from law enforcement. He attempts to de-escalate the situation. When that fails he attempts to remove the problem peacefully. When that fails he is forced to either use some type of force...or just give up, which would be shirking off his duties and leaving the responsible adults left out to dry. So he chooses his only responsible option...use reasonable force. His use of force is met with increasing physical resistance, and he is trained to respond in like fashion until he gains compliance. So....he responds EXACTLY as he is trained to, and his reward is termination and investigation for excessive use of force. Yea, put that on your recruiting literature when we find ourselves in serious need of quality young people to join law enforcement to protect and serve us!

 

[ta2d_cop]

The public wants cameras on cops..... Well there you have it.

Police work in the raw. Our job is ugly. Quality effective police work is not pleasant to watch. The average uninformed citizen can't stomach that reality. Good news is more and more of this equals less and less effective quality police work. No more proactivity. The savages will rule the day and all of y'all will be on here posting more about how the problem should have been fixed or how y'all would do it. Here is an idea.... Sit down, shut up and let us do what we do. Stop supporting the media outlets that trump this **** up and blow it out of proportion. Call your local LE administrators and tell them you want quality effective police work no matter what the media thinks about it. Call your politicians and tell them the same. Show up at public hearings and civil service meetings. You need to let these people know you demand your officers be supported in situations like this. Those people don't read Bayoushooter.

Anybody know what Randy Smith did in Slidell the week of the Ferguson-Mike Brown announcement while those savages up there were rioting? He sent his SWAT team on a tour of the Slidell hood executing warrants and chucking flash bangs. Tim Lentz in Covington went out in his hood and handed out ****ing ice cream and $100 bills...... Who do you think will have issues?

Just sayin... If your not ok with it and actually support LE, stand the **** up and say something. The denouncers do, and they are winning! The savages are being rewarded for their bad behavior and good cops are backing off so we don't end up like this deputy, hung out by some suck dick political hack of a police administrator.

 

[Kraut]

So after being put in a near impossible situation, what else is a LEO supposed to do. The teacher can't handle her, the principal can't handle her, so they request help from law enforcement. He attempts to de-escalate the situation. When that fails he attempts to remove the problem peacefully. When that fails he is forced to either use some type of force...or just give up, which would be shirking off his duties and leaving the responsible adults left out to dry. So he chooses his only responsible option...use reasonable force. His use of force is met with increasing physical resistance, and he is trained to respond in like fashion until he gains compliance. So....he responds EXACTLY as he is trained to, and his reward is termination and investigation for excessive use of force. Yea, put that on your recruiting literature when we find ourselves in serious need of quality young people to join law enforcement to protect and serve us!

Yup.

Side note, I know many LEOs, work closely with them. The idea of "breaking contact" after making physical contact is not advised (LEO chime in if I am incorrect). After you choose to go hands on, you need to keep control of the situation and bring it to an end. A tired cop is less likely to successfully subdue a subject without injury to the subject or him/herself. A tired cop is also at a higher risk of being defeated and unable to actively protect the public in the vicinity.

Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.

 

[LACamper]

Shame he wasn't issued numchucks! That would have made for a much more entertaining video!

 

[oleheat]

We wouldn't be discussing this if she'd been taught by her PARENT(S?) to have respect for authority and act in a civil manner. That "seems to be" an issue, these days....

 

[Vsotok10]

If the officer had a body camera on him then he might have a record of the girl striking him before he ever made contact, not to mention anything she might have said that could be perceived as a threat. Such footage should clear him of wrong doing and allow him to continue doing his job. Unfortunately, all we have is crappy cell phone video that doesn't tell the whole story and he has been fired to appease the savages.

 

[NOShooter]

I'm not seeing what is excessive force. The officer tries to remove her from the desk, she pushes back and then he throws her to the ground, controls her and cuffs her.

I agree that the bigger issue is the girls actions, inability to listen to authority and general disdain for order.

If they don't want him, New Orleans should hire him. We could use the help.

When is it time for the general public to be fed up with idiotic behavior?

In today's world, is the expectation REALLY that all we hire are " officer friendly" types?

My other question becomes, if the officer had darker skin and was female, would this still be the new media focus? I think not.