Gun Show Customer License Plates Come Under Scrutiny

[Whitebread]

I may have a way of translating my mindset to many others here. A lot of people believe we should make laws targeted at keeping the "lowest common denominator" in line, I think our government should be constrained in a way that would proctect the public from oppressive regimes.

 

[Whitebread]

Lol, of course it doesn't. I bet it's tough being so paranoid.


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Nope not paranoid, I just have a strong belief system that says the government should be constrained not the people.

Freedom is not the absence of oppression it's the inability for tyranny to exist.

 

[Whitebread]

How I feel half the time on BS.

 

[whitsend]

I know these topics get very emotional responses, but remember to keep them civil.

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[sliguns]

Thats not what the case I JUST POSTED FOR YOU TO READ says:

I don't even know what that REASON dribble you're going on about is. The proper terms are reasonable suspicion and probable cause. Of which you have to demonstrate neither in DMV database checks.

OK, I've read the entire opinion a few times, and you are correct that the Sixth Circuit ruled: "The 4th amendment doesn't apply to the information contained in a license plate."

I'd say the dissent makes a much more compelling case than the majority and pokes compelling holes in the majority's opinion that there is no private information contained in the license plate data.

http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=7865

And I certainly don't see how this is congruent with a free society...but it's true that for now (it's likely not a settled issue), it's "legal".

 

[Whitebread]

OK, I've read the entire opinion a few times, and you are correct that the Sixth Circuit ruled: "The 4th amendment doesn't apply to the information contained in a license plate."

I'd say the dissent makes a much more compelling case than the majority and pokes compelling holes in the majority's opinion that there is no private information contained in the license plate data.

http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=7865

And I certainly don't see how this is congruent with a free society...but it's true that for now (it's likely not a settled issue), it's "legal".

I think my meme says it all.

 

[jmcrawf1]

OK, I've read the entire opinion a few times, and you are correct that the Sixth Circuit ruled: "The 4th amendment doesn't apply to the information contained in a license plate."

I'd say the dissent makes a much more compelling case than the majority and pokes compelling holes in the majority's opinion that there is no private information contained in the license plate data.

http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=7865

And I certainly don't see how this is congruent with a free society...but it's true that for now (it's likely not a settled issue), it's "legal".

Do you agree with the dissent in DC v. Heller or do you pick and choose which side you fall on based on the case you are reading?


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[JR1572]

Do you agree with the dissent in DC v. Heller or do you pick and choose which side you fall on based on the case you are reading?


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They don't like this because it may prevent someone who cannot pass a nics check from buying a gun a gun show.

#felonsloveguns
#prohibitedpersonslovegunz

JR1572

 

[jmcrawf1]

OK, I've read the entire opinion a few times, and you are correct that the Sixth Circuit ruled: "The 4th amendment doesn't apply to the information contained in a license plate."

I'd say the dissent makes a much more compelling case than the majority and pokes compelling holes in the majority's opinion that there is no private information contained in the license plate data.

http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=7865

And I certainly don't see how this is congruent with a free society...but it's true that for now (it's likely not a settled issue), it's "legal".

Also when you say "the sixth circuit ruled" it also means the Supreme Court refused to hear the case and thus making it the law of the land.


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[Whitebread]

Do you agree with the dissent in DC v. Heller or do you pick and choose which side you fall on based on the case you are reading?


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Are you asking him if he makes his opinions based on popular opinion?

 

[jmcrawf1]

Are you asking him if he makes his opinions based on popular opinion?

No i'm asking him if he bases his opinions on the framework set forth in the US constitution. That which sets up the branches of government and lays down the framework for judging what is and isn't constitutional. Or do you avoid that part of the constitution and cherry pick stuff like he does?

 

[JR1572]

Also when you say "the sixth circuit ruled" it also means the Supreme Court refused to hear the case and thus making it the law of the land.


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Dude, stop it. Using facts and stuff isn't going to help you convince anyone here.

Last time I said "The Supreme Court decides what's Constitutional and Unconstitutional" people's heads exploded like when Clayton Bigsby took off his hood.

JR1572

 

[Whitebread]

They don't like this because it may prevent someone who cannot pass a nics check from buying a gun a gun show.

#felonsloveguns
#prohibitedpersonslovegunz

JR1572

Just google D.C. Vs heller. You or #'s are quite irrelevant to that case.

 

[JR1572]

Just google D.C. Vs heller. You or #'s are quite irrelevant to that case.

"Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions on the commercial sale of arms."

This is quoted from the Heller ruling.

Did you miss that part?

JR1572

 

[Whitebread]

No i'm asking him if he bases his opinions on the framework set forth in the US constitution. That which sets up the branches of government and lays down the framework for judging what is and isn't constitutional. Or do you avoid that part of the constitution and cherry pick stuff like he does?

So it's constitutional that judges make unconstitutional rulings? Is that your opinion sounds like you are cherry-picking what parts of the constitution you choose to believe in. Do you seriously agree with every ruling? You trust a Supreme Court who majority ruled for partial birth abortion? Sometimes the majority rules what I consider right and sometime they don't.

 

[JR1572]

Here's a quote from US v. Arzberger:

"To the extent, then, that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to possess a firearm unrelated to any military purpose, it also establishes a protectible liberty interest. And, although the Supreme Court has indicated that this privilege may be withdrawn from some groups of persons such as convicted felons, there is no basis for categorically depriving persons who are merely accused of certain crimes of the right to legal possession of a firearm."

Accused of a crime and convicted of a crime are two different things. You are aware of that?

JR1572

 

[Whitebread]

"Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions on the commercial sale of arms."

This is quoted from the Heller ruling.

Did you miss that part?

JR1572

The case was on a prohibition of guns in D.C.

 

[Whitebread]

Here's a quote from US v. Arzberger:

"To the extent, then, that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to possess a firearm unrelated to any military purpose, it also establishes a protectible liberty interest. And, although the Supreme Court has indicated that this privilege may be withdrawn from some groups of persons such as convicted felons, there is no basis for categorically depriving persons who are merely accused of certain crimes of the right to legal possession of a firearm."

Accused of a crime and convicted of a crime are two different things. You are aware of that?

JR1572

How are these quotes relevant to the topic?

 

[JR1572]

How are these quotes relevant to the topic?

You brought up Heller...

JR1572

 

[Whitebread]

You brought up Heller...

JR1572

I did not. I responded to a quote about Heller.
You quoted crawl's post about heller