Is it illegal for CHLers to carry in restaruants with bars in LA?

[Brians_45]

Or if the establishment has a sign on the door stating you must be of certain age (18 or 21?, can't rightly recall) to enter.

That is my rule of thumb. If kids can go in there, then so can my pistol...

 

[ngarre2]

i know this is old but was just reading through it and thought I could add a little. So, I downloaded the permit app and under Class of Permit, they have:
Class A - General (No one under the age of 18 admitted)

So i would think its a good rule of thumb if you cant go in the establishment or part of the establishment while under 18 then you cant legaly carry there.

 

[W1nds0rF0x]

I would not expect to see a bill passed that allowed even CHP holders to carry in a Bar.

So would I, the last thing I read about similar was allowing CHL holders to carry in a church.

I think a good rule of thumb would be that if you can smoke in it, you can't carry in it and vice versa.

But.... Fox and Hound is a Restaurant with a bar inside and I have seen ashtrays on the tables. Of course they could have been put there illegally by someone too.

 

[JBP55]

So would I, the last thing I read about similar was allowing CHL holders to carry in a church

Yes, and I see Churches and bars in a different light.

 

[Witness]

So would I, the last thing I read about similar was allowing CHL holders to carry in a church.



But.... Fox and Hound is a Restaurant with a bar inside and I have seen ashtrays on the tables. Of course they could have been put there illegally by someone too.

Fox and Hound is a bar, not a restaurant. They just happen to also serve food. Same thing with Bulldog. Its a different permit. Must be 21 to enter.

 

[leVieux]

there needs to be a push for clarification in this like in TX.....there are 2 signs in TX that CHLer must look for:
30.06 - business does not allow CCW on premises
51% - business or section of business (if placed in bar section of restaurant) if more than 51% of rev from alcohol consumption on premises

none of this guessing crap.

This wasn't so straightforward in Texas for a long time, as it seems.
Restaurants with bars would put the "51%" signs up in an obscure location, like behind the bar, so that most would never see them. They finally changed the requirement to have the signs at or near the entrances.
Same with hospitals. A hospital must post EVERY entrance for the signs to be effective. Very, very few do.
leVieux

 

[Nolacopusmc]

Fox and Hound is a bar, not a restaurant. They just happen to also serve food. Same thing with Bulldog. Its a different permit. Must be 21 to enter.

I have seen kids in fox and hound. Granted, neither should be forbidden, but if they are, the signs should be standardized and required.

 

[W1nds0rF0x]

There were people with kids coming out of Fox and Hound Friday evening when I was walking in. I don't see Fox and Hound as a bar that happens to serve food anymore than Superior Grill.

 

[Witness]

Really? I never would have guessed that. I do know that if you want to smoke indoors then you have to operate as a bar, unless or course your booze sales are over a certain % of your total sales. That may be the case with fox and hound. Now a restaurant can operate as a bar as a long as the kitchen is open for food, this was the stink with Chelsea's.

Either way, if you can smoke inside of fox and hound, then they are operating under a bar classification. Now I've talked to some other owners who talk about selling more booze than food can allow you to smoke inside, but I've never looked any deeper into it.

 

[Baldrik78]

There were people with kids coming out of Fox and Hound Friday evening when I was walking in. I don't see Fox and Hound as a bar that happens to serve food anymore than Superior Grill.

After a certain time of day(9pm?) they start carding and no longer allow minors inside.

 

[CloudStrife]

So you can OC at a bar?

 

[Guate_shooter]

It's intended for a type A establishment meaning there's is a bar with alcohol being displayed, chillys is ok as long as you are not in the bar area booth area is ok, besides I don't see why you would want to sit at the bat area anyways most of the time your back is facing the entrance which is the ultimate NO for awareness of your surrounding.

 

[Guate_shooter]

And if I remember correctly this is one of the issues that LSA is looking at getting clarified this year, get a more black and white rule of what they mean by type A license

 

[CloudStrife]

These laws are idiotic. What does it matter where you carry? Sitting at a bar doesn't make you drunk. It should be illegal to drink while carrying, OC or concealed. A gun is no less lethal because it's hidden.

 

[FishingBack]

So you can OC at a bar?[/QUOTE

No....I don't have the statute handy but I don't think it is.

 

[Bayoupiper]

And if I remember correctly this is one of the issues that LSA is looking at getting clarified this year, get a more black and white rule of what they mean by type A license

It is simple.

Class "A" refers to on premise consumption.

Class AG is the type of permit a bar or lounge would have.
No one under 18 is allowed on the premises.

Class AR is for restaurants.
Alcoholic beverages are served in conjunction with meals.
Under 18 is allowed on the premises.


Title 14:95.5 states:


A. No person shall intentionally possess a firearm while on the premises of an alcoholic beverage outlet.

B. "Alcoholic beverage outlet" as used herein means any commercial establishment in which alcoholic beverages of either high or low alcoholic content are sold in individual servings for consumption on the premises, whether or not such sales are a primary or incidental purpose of the business of the establishment.

C. The provisions of this Section shall not apply to the owner or lessee of an alcoholic beverage outlet, or to an employee of such owner or lessee, or to a law enforcement officer or other person vested with law enforcement authority acting in the performance of his official duties.

D. Whoever violates the provisions of this Section shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or imprisoned for not more than six months, or both.


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[dzelenka]

It is simple.

Class "A" refers to on premise consumption.

Class AG is the type of permit a bar or lounge would have.
No one under 18 is allowed on the premises.

Class AR is for restaurants.
Alcoholic beverages are served in conjunction with meals.
Under 18 is allowed on the premises.

This. AG= NO CARRY; AR=Concealed carry with permit. Title 14:95.5 does not apply if you have a valid CHP.

It has been determined that no clarification is necessary. Neither LSA nor NRA will be addressing this issue.

 

[Bayoupiper]

This. AG= NO CARRY; AR=Concealed carry with permit. Title 14:95.5 does not apply if you have a valid CHP.

It has been determined that no clarification is necessary. Neither LSA nor NRA will be addressing this issue.

Dan,

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'd feel a lot more secure with a statute to back that up.


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[Jimmy Dean]

So you can OC at a bar?

I am pretty sure that you cannot OC at a bar. Even if you could, I would not be. (And I advocate OC) I do not think that mixing guns and booze is a good thing, even if I am not drinking, who is to say that some drunk guy 3 times my size (which is just about everyone) won't try, and him and his drunk buddies suceed, in taking away my gun, or your gun? Concealed.....mmm...differant story, they won't try to take it cause they are idiots if they don't realize that it is there.

 

[CloudStrife]

I am pretty sure that you cannot OC at a bar. Even if you could, I would not be. (And I advocate OC) I do not think that mixing guns and booze is a good thing, even if I am not drinking, who is to say that some drunk guy 3 times my size (which is just about everyone) won't try, and him and his drunk buddies suceed, in taking away my gun, or your gun? Concealed.....mmm...differant story, they won't try to take it cause they are idiots if they don't realize that it is there.

Which goes back to the nonsense of CC laws.