Question on conceal carry permit and being POST certified

[alto8345]

I just graduated the police academy and am POST certified with my issued firearm (I am planning on going full time). My conceal carry permit expires this coming year and I am trying to decide if I am going to renew it or not. Some people tell me not to and some people tell me to renew it. I do carry 2 other firearms when I'm not on duty of course, but I am not POST certified with them. What are your suggestions? Thank you

 

[JBP55]

Normally Full Time LEO are covered 24/7 but it is a good idea to qualify with your off duty pistol as well even if it is Just for Record at your department. Normally anyone that is not full time is only covered when they are On Duty. This May vary if your Chief/Sheriff considers you On Call 24/7.
I recently had two Full Time LEO take the CHP class with their family and one is a P O S T Firearms Instructor. They got to do some Defensive Shooting that was not included in the
P O S T Firearms Class.
If you are unsure you should keep your CHP for now.

 

[alpinehyperlite]

If you are commissioned, then your commission acts as your CHP. I believe that you are confused as to how the POST Certification works. You aren't POST certified with one weapon. You can carry whichever weapon that your department allows on duty, and carry any handgun off. Like JBP55 stated, it would be wise to qualify with your off duty weapon through your department, but it is not necessary to carry off duty legally. Now your department's policy might state otherwise.

 

[whitjct]

Also consider if you ever have a break in service ...by that I mean change departments, go state, federal ( sometimes there is a lapse from one LE job to another whether it be a day or 2 weeks or you need to attend an entirely new academy or just end up going a different career route down the road you will still be able to carry having your ccw.

 

[JBP55]

Also consider if you ever have a break in service ...by that I mean change departments, go state, federal ( sometimes there is a lapse from one LE job to another whether it be a day or 2 weeks or you need to attend an entirely new academy or just end up going a different career route down the road you will still be able to carry having your ccw.

In LA. you must go back to the Academy after a 5 year break from Law Enforcement and then you May be able to take select courses depending on the LEA and P O S T requirements.

 

[alpinehyperlite]

In LA. you must go back to the Academy after a 5 year break from Law Enforcement and then you May be able to take select courses depending on the LEA and P O S T requirements.

Post qualifications are only good for 13 months now.

 

[JBP55]

A brief example of part of a Firearms Policy. I worked on one for an Agency about 10 years ago and it is roughly 10 typewritten pages.


Model Firearms Policy
PURPOSE
It is the purpose of this polic
y to provide officers with guideli
nes associated with the safe
handling and proper use of firearms, as well
as maintenance, safety, and qualification
requirements related to agency-authorized or
issued firearms. The department recognizes
that, nationally, certain recurren
t types of incidents make up the bulk of firearm injuries
and cause the majority of firearms-related lawsuits, including the following:
· Accidental discharges
· Intentional discharge under circum
stances where use of firearms is not justified
· Intentional discharge under circumst
ances where use of firearms is justified, but the
discharge results in injury to
persons other than the indi
vidual at whom the fire was
directed.
Recognizing that many, if not
most, of these incidents are
preventable, this policy is
intended to minimize the human tragedy and
financial loss that so often attends the
misuse of firearms by law enforcement
officers through the promulgation and rigorous
enforcement of policies and procedures
designed to limit the improper handling and
discharge of firearms.
POLICY
It is the policy of this law enforcement ag
ency that officers adhere to the requirements
established herein in order to ensure the safe
handling and proper use of service firearms.
DEFINITIONS
Authorized Firearm
:
Any make, model, or caliber of
firearm that meets this agency’s
designated requirements and specifications,
and has been formally approved by the
agency armorer and chief executive officer or
his designate for general or individual use
by sworn law enforcement personnel. This in
cludes primary service handguns, alternate
service handguns, backup handguns, shotguns,
and rifles used for law enforcement
purposes.
Primary Service Handgun
:
The firearm authorized by this ag
ency to be carried as part of
the service uniform and related equipment
for uniformed personnel or the authorized
firearm to be carried by pl
ain-clothes officers.
Back-up Handgun
:
Any authorized handgun other than the primary service handgun
that is carried in an
authorized concealed manner.
Firearms Qualification
:
Periodic testing required of
officers to determine their
competency to carry authorized firearms.
PROCEDURES
A. General Provisions
1. Any firearm carried by officers when on or off duty—with the exception of
weapons used for recreational purposes
— must be an authorized firearm.
2. Only ammunition that has be
en approved by this agency on a general or
individual basis may be used
in authorized firearms.
3. Only sworn officers who have su
ccessfully passed firearms
qualification and the
use-of-force training course prescribed by this
agency are authorized to carry a firearm.
4. The primary service handgun shall be car
ried in accordance with uniform and related
requirements and as otherwise specified by
this, or other applicable agency policy.
5. Officers shall be issued fresh duty ammunition in the specified quantity for all
authorized firearms during the officer’s
first scheduled qualification each year.
Replacements for defective or depleted a
mmunition shall be dispensed by the armorer
when needed in accordance with established policy.
6. Generally, officers may carry
only one primary service handgun. However,
officers on special assignment
and other officers with an ar
ticulable need may request
authorization to carry alternate primary
service firearms, backup firearms, and/or
alternate ammunition on an on-
going or periodic basis.
B. Off-Duty Firearms
1. Officers may, but ar
e not required to, carry an aut
horized firearm while off duty.
However, officers must be armed when in
uniform and/or operating a marked patrol
vehicle whether on or off duty.
2. Back-up and off-duty firearms sha
ll be carried concealed when the officer is in
plain clothes or in uniform unless:
a. the officer is in the workplace,
and the officer’s badge is prominently displayed
next to the firearm;
b. the officer is engaged in law
enforcement actions that may reasonably require
quick access to the firearm, and the officer’s
badge is prominently displayed near the
weapon; or
c. the officer is engaged in activiti
es where it would be permissible for a citizen to
carry an exposed firearm, such as
in hunting or target practice.
d. Such practice wo
uld violate state or local law.
3. When armed, whether on or off dut
y, officers shall carry their badge and agency
identification.
C. Firearms Qualifications
1. All officers authori
zed to carry firearms shall be
required to qualify with each
authorized firearm on at least a semi-annual basis.
2. All officers shall be graded
on a pass/fail basis for
purposes of firearms
qualification.
3. On at least an annual basis, all o
fficers authorized to carry firearms shall receive
and shall be required to demonstrate their
understanding of the law and agency policy
and procedures relating to the use-of-force as
set out in the agency
approved use-of-force
training course and other
applicable agency policy.
4. Officers shall be allowed no more
than two attempts to
qualify on any given day
using each authorized firearm. Officers who
fail to qualify with any authorized firearm
on the first day shall be subject
to the following requirements:

 

[JBP55]

Post qualifications are only good for 13 months now.

When did that take place?

 

[alpinehyperlite]

When did that take place?

I believed in the past 2 years.

Like with firearm stuff, if you dont requalify within the 13 months, you have to go through the entire firearm portion of the post academy again.

 

[JBP55]

I believed in the past 2 years.

Like with firearm stuff, if you dont requalify within the 13 months, you have to go through the entire firearm portion of the post academy again.

I know about the requal and the 24 hour course requirement shooting the course 4 times and taking an average of the 4 but I was not aware anything else had changed.
I will check in with the local LEA Instructors and ask if Rebecca or anyone else told them about the other changes.