Slap the NRA!

[Coastie Paul]

Contact the NRA and get them to wake up. Possibly endorse Sen. Reid. WTF?!?
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/07/01/nra-now-leans-toward-endorsing-harry-reid/

NRA web form contact here:
https://www.nrahq.org/contact.asp

I don't care how big of a firing range he helped. Do you have to sign in or be a member at this facility? If so, there's a list of gun owners that the government could use.

 

[James Cannon]

Jesus.

That's the last straw.

I wish I hadn't just bought another 3 years with those political ass kissing mother ****ers. When my membership is up, I'm DONE!

The NRA is obviously just another bunch of professional lobbyists just pandering to keep their jobs as well paid douchebags that fly around on other people's dimes, and talk to politicians over expensive meals at rich hotels.

I'm sick of it. There needs to be a changing of the guard, because there was no one watching these watchmen.

I'm either adding a Calvin-urinating sticker beside my NRA sticker, or taking the NRA sticker off my truck.

 

[CloudStrife]

Here is their response. Took only a couple minutes. They must have "Harry Reid" as a key word.

Thank you for contacting NRA-ILA regarding the recent reports that the
NRA-Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) has endorsed U.S. Senator Harry Reid for
reelection.

The NRA-PVF has not endorsed Senator Harry Reid. The NRA-PVF has not released
ratings or endorsements for the Nevada Senate race at this point. Ratings and
endorsements will be decided closer to the election. You can find our most
recent ratings and endorsements at www.nrapvf.org.

In 2004, Senator Reid's last election, the NRA-PVF did not endorse him and he
received a "B" rating: www.nrapvf.org/ELECTIONS/State.aspx?y=2004&State=NV.
NRA-PVF has not contributed to Sen. Reid for reelection in this election cycle.
However, as Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Reid has proven himself to be a
supporter of our Second Amendment rights.

Early last year, Sen. Reid flatly stated that he would oppose any effort to
reinstate an "assault weapons" ban if the Senate were to vote on it in the
future. And Sen. Reid was instrumental in Senate passage (and eventual enactment
into law) of the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act" (PLCAA), which shut
down reckless lawsuits against gun manufacturers and dealers, that attempted to
hold them liable for the misuse of firearms by criminals. Sen. Reid also
cosponsored S. 659 (PLCCA) in the 108th Congress and voted against "poison pill"
amendments to it, including the Feinstein Amendment to ban so-called "assault
weapons", and the Kennedy Amendment that would have banned most hunting
ammunition.

Sen. Reid voted for legislation that became law in 2006, to prohibit gun
confiscation during states of emergency. He also voted for legislation to allow
commercial airline pilots to be armed in the cockpit to protect their passengers
and crew. In this congressional session, Sen. Reid voted for the Ensign
Amendment to repeal the Washington D.C. gun ban and restore self-defense rights
in our nation's capital. He cosponsored similar legislation--S. 1414--in the
108th Congress. He also voted for an amendment to allow law-abiding citizens to
carry firearms for self-defense in national parks and wildlife refuges. This
federal policy change just took effect on February 22. In addition, Sen. Reid
voted last year for the Thune-Vitter Amendment to provide national reciprocity
for state Right-to-Carry permits. Sen. Reid also voted twice for the Wicker
Amendment allowing Amtrak passengers to include firearms in their checked
luggage. A vote on all of these amendments was made possible procedurally by
Harry Reid in his capacity as Senate Majority Leader. Finally, Sen. Reid was
among the 58 Senators who signed the pro-gun congressional amicus brief in the
McDonald v. Chicago case, just argued before the U.S. Supreme Court on March 2,
to decide whether the Second Amendment applies to states and localities.

Thank you for contacting us and please keep an eye out for our grades and
endorsements as the election nears.





Sincerely,
Kyle C
NRA-ILA Grassroots Division

Even if his record said he's pro-gun, he's a democrat and will support other democrats. And whatever pro-gun moves he's made, I'm sure they were just to make him look good since voting for his true intentions would have been futile at the time anyway.

 

[James Cannon]

Meh, Gun Laws are not really a republican v democrat issue. There are tons of Democrats that are vehemently pro-gun, and many republicans that'd quickly vote to ban evil black rifles.

 

[Gus McCrae]

My understanding is that Reid does support Pro-2A issues. The NRA is a single issue organization and not a pro-conservative group (which I think is good, I don't want "politics" mudding up the issue.) If both candidates are progun, then historically, the NRA supports the incumbent. Finally, if Reid loses, the NRA loses a pro-gun majority leader.....

I doubt the NRA will have great impact on this election, Reid is not that popular right now.

 

[david mitchell]

email to the NRA

I am a Patron member and just sent my response to the NRA as a general comment that supporting Reid is a tremendous blunder and Wayne needs to be replaced.
We will never get over the Health care blunder!
I just got the same response about them not grading at this point.
Replyed to stop the political BS and take a stand against all Dems.

Off the soap box.

 

[CloudStrife]

Meh, Gun Laws are not really a republican v democrat issue. There are tons of Democrats that are vehemently pro-gun, and many republicans that'd quickly vote to ban evil black rifles.

Yes, it is. Democrats endorse other democrats. In Reid's case, I'm sure he'd support Pelosi if she crapped on the meeting table and called it her new bill.

My understanding is that Reid does support Pro-2A issues. The NRA is a single issue organization and not a pro-conservative group (which I think is good, I don't want "politics" mudding up the issue.) If both candidates are progun, then historically, the NRA supports the incumbent. Finally, if Reid loses, the NRA loses a pro-gun majority leader.....

I doubt the NRA will have great impact on this election, Reid is not that popular right now.

I understand. Even still, support of Reid, pro-gun or not, is enough for me to end all contributions.

 

[oleheat]

Thanks for posting this Paul. I wrote them a short, simple note voicing my displeasure with this possibility:

"I am writing to ask the NRA NOT to endorse Senator Harry Reid in his re-election campaign. Although Senator Reid has been supportive in the recent past regarding our main common political interest, it is my firm belief he cannot be trusted in the overall scheme of things. Senator Reid is an old-school liberal, and is part of the gang of politicians who have successfully changed America for the worse, beginning in 2006. He needs to go.
Please endorse freedom and AMERICA FIRST- and help defeat Senator Reid this fall."

I hope they listen on this matter......

 

[Gus McCrae]

I understand. Even still, support of Reid, pro-gun or not, is enough for me to end all contributions.

I understand that. I'm not complaining, but I do appreciate the NRA for keeping the organization to a single issue. You have several other groups that don't. Think about all of the pro-women groups that would not support Palin, bunch of hypocrites.

 

[CloudStrife]

The was a guy running for congress last election... Don Cazayou. He's a pro-gun dem. Maybe even pro-life too. I was considering voting for him, but after considering that he might support other dems with opposing views, I voted for Bill Cassidy.

 

[Gus McCrae]

I don't really want the NRA to be a "right wing conservative think tank" as long as they keep to 2A issues, are even handed and/or consistent on how they grade/support candidates, I'll let them tell me who is pro 2A. I then decide on my own if I'm going to support that candidate.

I wouldn't support Reid though.

 

[oleheat]

The was a guy running for congress last election... Don Cazayou. He's a pro-gun dem. Maybe even pro-life too. I was considering voting for him, but after considering that he might support other dems with opposing views, I voted for Bill Cassidy.

Agreed, Cloud. Although I really believed he was a good man, I never had any doubts that once elected, DC would have been a puppet for President Hussein (who he ended up ENDORSING FOR PRESIDENT AS AN INTERIM CONGRESSMAN), and Nancy Botoxlosi.
At the end of the day, he chose to walk the partisan line. When he endorsed Obama, he scuttled his own ship.

 

[James Cannon]

Yes, it is. Democrats endorse other democrats. In Reid's case, I'm sure he'd support Pelosi if she crapped on the meeting table and called it her new bill.

Yea, in Reid's case, that may be.

Just saying that guns is not as partisan as most other issues. When I lived in Missouri, it was almost always democrats, from what I recall, but the understanding was that if you cast one vote anti-gun, you were GONE. Farmers love their guns and loved their NRA. If the NRA didn't back you in Missouri, you were hurting bad. This is not unusual (cue Tom Jones music) to other states as well.

However, the 'party line' voting does happen with some. Pelosi seems to have that effect on people, too... not sure what her witchcraft magic is all about.

 

[Baldrik78]

I don't really want the NRA to be a "right wing conservative think tank" as long as they keep to 2A issues, are even handed and/or consistent on how they grade/support candidates, I'll let them tell me who is pro 2A. I then decide on my own if I'm going to support that candidate.

I wouldn't support Reid though.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[oleheat]

I agree that there are indeed many pro-gun dems. But I will say this: For the reasons I listed involving Mr. Cazayoux, if there is a pro-gun Dem running against an equally pro-gun GOP candidate, I will vote for the GOP candidate. At that point, I refer to the all-around political platform- and at this time the Dem Party is at odds with my core beliefs on too many issues to count....

 

[Mjolnir]

Gun Owners of America

 

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[artabr]

I agree that there are indeed many pro-gun dems. But I will say this: For the reasons I listed involving Mr. Cazayoux, if there is a pro-gun Dem running against an equally pro-gun GOP candidate, I will vote for the GOP candidate. At that point, I refer to the all-around political platform- and at this time the Dem Party is at odds with my core beliefs on too many issues to count....

Good points. I feel the same way. That being said, the Harry Reid issue isn't that big of a deal for me, while he supports 2nd Amendment rights, he is on the wrong side of too many other issues for me to ever vote for him.

IIRC, Kathleen Blanco had either a A or A+ NRA rating. She loved duck hunting.
She never got my vote.

I'm glad to see that the NRA is not being partisan, they are being honest.
I wish the same could be said of them on some other subjects that have come up lately.



Art

 

[kajuntriton]

You guys REALLY need to support the GOA.....Gun OWNERS of AMERICA!
http://gunowners.org/
I am not saying give the NRA the boot BUT I AM SAYING SUPPORT GOA!!!

KT

 

[Mjolnir]

Record Shows the NRA is Not a Staunch Supporter of Gun Rights
John McAlvany​

The media and the politicians long ago discovered that the NRA is a paper tiger. They have not talked much about this because they know that by continually accusing the NRA of being an unreasonable, intransigent ogre, the NRA will continue to bend over backwards prove that it is not so. It is not in the Establishment’s interest to let this cat out of the bag.

This situation has resulted in the NRA actually becoming an anti-gun lobby, a fact not very many of it’s members understand. With it’s reputation of a rootin’ tootin’ pro-gun warrior largely intact, the membership, not to mention the public, still view the NRA as the voice of the Second Amendment.

Charlton Heston’s elevation to the presidency of the NRA was a masterstroke for the incumbent management of the organization. His election was viewed by members who were beginning to wonder about the NRA as a return to the robust defense of their rights. In reality, Heston’s ascension represents a consolidation of power by the compromisers running the NRA. Their strategy is to survive by losing.

The NRA’s strategy of surviving by losing translates to support for anti-gun measures as well as never asking for rollback of anti-gun legislation, because, after all, they do not see how a pro-gun position can win.

NRA Support for Gun Control Is Not New

The March 1968 issue of NRA’s American Rifleman (page 22) gave examples of how the NRA had always been for “workable gun control laws.”

Starting with the Uniform Firearms Act of 1930, the NRA supported obtaining a government permit before carrying a concealed firearm. In 1934 the NRA agreed with Congress that gun owners did not need machine guns and agreed with the then confiscatory tax of $200 plus submission to a full background check and fingerprinting before an American citizen would be “allowed” to carry a firearm that the founders intended for every militia-eligible male to carry. This requirement can be found in the Militia Act of 1792 in which private ownership of military firearms and suitable ammunition was required by the Congress that sat in the months following the ratification of the Second Amendment.

Following the pattern of gun control Nazi Germany, the Congress passed legislation in 1938 requiring firearms dealers to be federally licensed. Rather than contest the lack of constitutional authority for this regulation of firearms commerce, the NRA acquiesced. Until the terms of the 1968 Gun Control Act became too onerous, the NRA supported that, too. They would have gone for the background check at that time.

The same issue of the American Rifleman reported that the NRA had supported the 1968 Gun Control Act as long as it would limit expansion of gun control to handguns.

Charlton Heston was mentioned in the October 1968 issue of American Rifleman (page 10) as one of the actors who worked with then President Lyndon Johnson to end in supporting passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act. Even wanted more gun control than did the NRA – he supported including rifles and shotguns in the 1968 Gun Control Act.

Under new leadership, the NRA worked for years to try to undo some of the damage of the 1968 Gun Control Act, and in 1986 the McClure-Volkmer Bill [named after the Senator James McClure (R-ID) and Representative Harold Volkmer (D-MO)] became law. The bill had originally contained sweeping reforms, but Senator Orrin Hatch sliced off many of the positive provisions of the bill, and the NRA went along with it. The NRA did nothing to stop the bill when it had a last minute poison pill added to it by then Representative Bill Hughes (D-NJ) to ban the private ownership of fully automatic firearms manufactured after May of 1986. Incredible as it was, the NRA’s great reform bill was enacted with a weapons ban!

1986 was a bad year. The NRA actually wrote the “plastic” gun ban (a firearm which, incidentally, still does not exist) and the armor piercing bullet ban (the so-called “cop killer” bullets that never killed an officer wearing a bullet-resistant vest). These laws received NRA support because “it would have been worse” if they had not participated in the writing of the bills.

Never, in all of these battles, did the NRA ever develop a counter strategy. They never tried to put the legislators on the defensive by exposing them as acting without constitutional authority. The NRA frequently endorses politicians for re-election and they vote anti-gun The NRA continually covers up anti-gun behavior rather than making politicians explain why the voters should not throw them out.

In the name of keeping a place at the table, the NRA has agreed to accept starvation rations. They are reaching the point of such weakness from this diet that they have become nearly powerless – in spite of a membership in the neighborhood of 2 ½ million and an annual budget of tens of millions of dollars.

NRA Founded as an Auxiliary to the Government

Union officers who were disappointed with the poor marksmanship of the northern soldiers founded the NRA after the Civil War. The NRA was, therefore, set up to make the government work better. Over the years, this relationship deepened as the Defense Department created a Division of Civilian Marksmanship to hand out low-cost firearms and ammunition – but to get those goodies, one had to belong to the NRA.

The cooperative role that developed over the years has made it difficult for the NRA to see government in an adversarial role. Forgotten were the admonitions of the founders, such as George Washington, who said, “Government is like fire. It is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”

NRA Support for Gun Control in the 105th Congress

IN 1997, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-UT) introduced S.10, which he dubbed the Juvenile Justice Bill. One of the public relations advantages for the Republicans was “doing something” about drive-by shootings. Unhappily, there was a no debate about the lack of constitutional authority for the federal government to be involved in juvenile justice.

Gun Owners of America (GOA) found provisions in the bill that would have treated both firearm owners and firearm dealers who make more than one paperwork violation as though they were mafioso. These provisions could easily have threatened the livelihood of every firearm dealer and the very existence of the firearm industry itself.

Senator Hatch wanted to put firearm dealers under the racketeering law or RICO, as it’s euphemistically called. Two or more paperwork violations and the dealer would lose all of his property and face twenty (20) years in a federal prison. How many dealers would want to stay in business with the loss of their business and freedom hanging over their heads? No firearm dealers, no firearms. No wonder Gun Owners of America called S.10 Juvenile Justice Bill “Hatch’s Horror Bill”.

What came without rhyme or reason was that the NRA supported Hatch’s S.10 Juvenile Justice Bill. The NRA not only lobbied for it on Capitol Hill, they sent out a mailing to many of their members asking them to send a postcard to their senators urging them to vote for S.10. The NRA seldom tries to involve it’s members in lobbying – something that is the hallmark of GOA – so this was all the more surprising.

This turned out to be a shootout between the NRA and the GOA. GOA, an organization of about 150,000 members, emerged the victor over the much larger NRA. IN a David versus Goliath match-up, GOA defeated the NRA.

GOA pounded away, month after month. They informed their members of the dangers of S.10. GOA’s members in turn sent in postcards, faxes, e-mail and phone calls and personal visits to lobby their Senators. In early 1998, GOA’s efforts began to bear fruit. Senators who had co-sponsored S.10 began to remove their names, sometimes rather publicly, form the list of co-sponsors. GOA’s efforts got seven senators to remove their names from sponsoring Senator Hatch’s bill.

Added to this was the leadership demonstrated by Senator Bob Smith (R-NH). Smith used various senatorial rules to block Hatch from attempting some end runs around the legislative process. At one point, Hatch was reported to have exploded in fury over Smith’s steadfast refusal to budge. The right man was at the right place at the right time. The bill finally died, but the issue went to the very last days of the session with Hatch trying to get unanimous consent to slip his bill onto some other piece of legislation. When he tried, Smith objected. Hatch was angry, but firearm owners were spared a truly horrifying bill.

Chickens Coming Home to Roost

In what many Second Amendment activists consider has been the NRA’s most serious single error – they supported the Brady Bill because it contained the Instant Background Check (IBC). The NRA should have smelled a rat when the only criticism of it made by Handgun Control Incorporated (HCI) was the IBC could not be installed quickly enough to suit them. For the NRA all that mattered was that the background check be instantaneous with purchase. A note about Handgun Control Incorporated: HCI is a rabidly anti-gun organization lead by Sarah Brady, who’s documented goal is to eliminate all private ownership of firearms in the United States of America.

GOA argued that, yes, the waiting period is as unconstitutional for firearms as it would be for speech, but waiting periods give governments an opportunity to register the names and addresses of firearm purchasers, which is inherent in any background check. Furthermore, the background check converts a right into a privilege, empowering the government to grant permission to purchase a firearm.

As a crime-fighting tool, the IBC has proven a total failure. Only three (3) criminals were incarcerated as a result of the first year of the operation of Brady, and the results have been similar for each succeeding year.

GOA told anyone who would listen what would happen when the IBC was in place. No amount of prohibitions would prevent the IBC from turning into a registration engine for every firearm purchaser making a purchase from a firearm dealer or gun store.

In spite of federal laws against making a registration list of gun owners, the FBI has announced that when it assumes operation of the IBC, it will keep the names and addresses of firearm buyers. The NRA looks at the FBI’s lawlessness as a quirk in the system that needs to be addressed. In contrast, GOA has supported Representative Ron Paul’s (R-TX) bill to repeal the Brady Bill altogether. Paul plans to pursue that legislation in the 106th Congress.

The word “immediately” in the requirement to “immediately destroy records” was removed. That left the registration prohibition with the words of the existing federal prohibition which the FBI argued permitted their retention of the records for eighteen months. After all, they seem to be saying, if they destroy the records in 100 years, they will be in compliance with the requirements to destroy the records.

Moses Comes Down on the Wrong Side of the Mountain

NRA’s new president, Charlton Heston, well known for his movie depiction of Moses, is still having trouble reading his lines as a pro-Second Amendment spokesman years after his hard-line support of the Gun Control Act of 1968. Days after becoming the NRA Vice President in 1997, Heston told a San Francisco talk show host that “no one needed an AK47.” Heston repeated that statement three (3) times on the same talk show.

Heston was still having confusion on where he stood as the NRA’s most visible spokesman during the 1998 elections. Heston, in 1996, had supported pro-gun activist Brent Winters in his campaign to capture the 19th congressional district seat in southern Illinois He appeared in media spots on Winters’ behalf. In 1998, Heston appeared AGAINST Winters, even though Winters was the only candidate in the race who was willing to introduce legislation rolling back unconstitutional (therefore non-positive) federal gun legislation.

The NRA has a long history of opposing pro-gun candidates. Among them have been Representatives Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD), Steve Stockman (R-TX) and Joe Scarborough (R-FL).

Several pro-gun legislators in Alabama who had opposed a state version of Instant Background Check were defeated in their re-election bids by the NRA in 1998. Earlier, Oklahoma and Colorado legislators were threatened with defeat if they persisted in promoting legislation modeled after Vermont’s concealed carry law. Vermont views concealed carry as a matter of right, and therefore there are no permits or licenses involved in carrying a concealed firearm anywhere in the state of Vermont. Vermont’s murder rate is the lowest of any state in the nation, by the way.

NRA Steadfastly Marching Towards Gun Control

The recent ouster of NRA’s chief lobbyist, Tanya Metaska, represents a further consolidation of control by the compromisers and their pursuit of gun control in order to appease the political establishment and the national media. James Baker, the architect of the NRA’s IBC, is now back in the saddle in his old job following the ouster of Metaska.

The NRA has made support for, and enactment of, the Instant Background Check (which is de facto Gun Registration) a litmus test for politicians it supports at the state and federal level. They also continue to fight against relaxing the restrictions in the concealed carry legislation of states with permission to carry statutes (contrasted with Vermont’s right to carry law).

Gun Rights Activists Turning to Gun Owners of America

GOA has been gaining membership as gun rights activists have given up trying to reform the NRA. GOA can be contacted at their toll free number 1-888-GUNS, or on their website http://www.gunowners.org. Readers are encouraged to join GOA. They are the only real pro-gun lobby in Washington, DC. They support the Constitution and they pursue it with a take-no-prisoners attitude. Over the next few years, GOA will be the only major national organization in America standing between firearm owning defenders of the Second Amendment and the total firearm registration – and eventual firearm confiscation – pushed by the political Left.

I saved this in 2005/6 timeframe, IIRC.