Indoctrinating Kids In Ascension Parish Schools (Revisited)

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  • Emperor

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    "Use evidence from the text to support your view point."

    ^that phrase has existed since I can remember ever doing school work. That's not Common Core indoctrination. That's how school works and has for a long time.

    Here's a suggestion.

    If you don't like the lesson they gave, substitute your own and have a chat with your kid. I talk with my kid all the time about stuff like this, and he's 6. He's on a big space kick, now, and we talk about current and historical space stuff often. When it's not space, it's animal science; especially reptiles.

    Nothing about school says you get to stop being their biggest teacher.

    Okay; you are "Parent of the century!" Now, stay on point! This is not semantics in this text.
     

    JNieman

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    It's never going to get cheaper if the companies that are supposed to bring it to us steal 2 billion dollars at the behest of the ideologues that want to change the world for us!

    I can't tell which side of the energy industry you're referring to, there.
     

    JNieman

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    Okay; you are "Parent of the century!" Now, stay on point! This is not semantics in this text.

    It /is/ on topic! It's only indoctrination if YOU the PARENT let your kid go to school and believe it all 100%. You are the one raising the kid, not the school. _THE PARENT_ is the biggest factor.
     

    Emperor

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    It /is/ on topic! It's only indoctrination if YOU the PARENT let your kid go to school and believe it all 100%. You are the one raising the kid, not the school. _THE PARENT_ is the biggest factor.

    I don't need nor want my kids to be taught someone's dream of a cleaner planet. Even if it ends up ultimately being better for us in the long run; just teach my kids facts. There are enough proven scientific facts to keep his little brain busy for years already.

    When he sees me erecting a windmill / bird smashing device in my yard, he will ask; and I will teach. :p
     

    olivs260

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    Read the assignment. "Use evidence from the text to support your view point."

    What evidence? The evidence by the paper that suggests; Fossil fuels bad, green energy good?

    Again, show me the evidence that suggests solar energy and wind energy is the better choice for my kids future. I don't buy the global warming BS.

    It's not about global warming. It's about energy production with a sprinkling of pollution. Are you suggesting that fossil fuels don't cause pollution? Do you not care about reducing pollution? You don't have to be a member of Greenpeace to acknowledge that it's probably not the best idea to **** on the environment.

    I don't need nor want my kids to be taught someone's dream of a cleaner planet.

    You don't think anybody is ever going to bring up a different viewpoint to your kids? You need to tell him what you believe, and more importantly- why you believe it. I would suggest you ought to be raising your children to consider the facts and form their own opinion about the world, not blindly follow what their parents, or anyone else they look up to, believe.
     
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    JWG223

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    I don't need nor want my kids to be taught someone's dream of a cleaner planet. Even if it ends up ultimately being better for us in the long run; just teach my kids facts. There are enough proven scientific facts to keep his little brain busy for years already.

    When he sees me erecting a windmill / bird smashing device in my yard, he will ask; and I will teach. :p

    I'd rather see schools teach children how to think rather than trying to cram them full of facts, not that the two are mutually exclusive, but "facts" seem to be more important than "thinking", last time I was in school. Joining a career that involved two years of education that focused very heavily on critical thinking skills, and picking BEST solutions when NO RIGHT solutions existed hurt my little stunted brain and made me mentally grow in so many ways that grade and high-school and several years of general studies in the bio-chem fields never prepared me for.
     

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    It's not about global warming. It's about energy production with a sprinkling of pollution. Are you suggesting that fossil fuels don't cause pollution? Do you not care about reducing pollution? You don't have to be a member of Greenpeace to acknowledge that it's probably not the best idea to **** on the environment.

    Emotion has nothing to do with it. Besides, after they discovered that the global warming initiative was found to be juggling the facts to fit the agenda, I stopped listening.
     

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    The concern for me is that that the people that teach this stuff rarely investigate enough or go into enough detail to explain the potential risks of solar, toxic battery chemicals required for storing the energy, disposal of burn out solar panels, environmental and financial cost of producing the panels transformers and other systems required for running a house on this source.

    Wind-up wait til 20-30 years out and see the deaths of endangered species they cause by them, leaking lubricants, reduction in surface wind velocity causing lack of crop pollination and climate change.

    Everybody seems to still be on board with the good idea fairy without having looks at the potential longterm downside. As it is if some of these full electric cars get in a bad wreck hazmat has to come out and clean up the battery acid before anybody can work on you. I'm not saying there's not a better way, but thinking through the full repercussions likely puts some of these sources closer to fossil fuels than many are taught.
     

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    The concern for me is that that the people that teach this stuff rarely investigate enough or go into enough detail to explain the potential risks of solar, toxic battery chemicals required for storing the energy, disposal of burn out solar panels, environmental and financial cost of producing the panels transformers and other systems required for running a house on this source.

    Wind-up wait til 20-30 years out and see the deaths of endangered species they cause by them, leaking lubricants, reduction in surface wind velocity causing lack of crop pollination and climate change.

    Everybody seems to still be on board with the good idea fairy without having looks at the potential longterm downside. As it is if some of these full electric cars get in a bad wreck hazmat has to come out and clean up the battery acid before anybody can work on you. I'm not saying there's not a better way, but thinking through the full repercussions likely puts some of these sources closer to fossil fuels than many are taught.

    Exactly! Good point! There are many other "true" sciences that can be explored at this point. I'm not saying they can't produce electricity through wind or solar. I am saying that the schools are steering them away from facts about science to the "what ifs' of someone's personal ideology.

    It has no place in "PUBLIC" schools. If you want to convince my kid he is doomed; wait till I send to college. At least there he may be able to disseminate the ******** for himself while I pay for it.
     

    LACamper

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    There are ways to make windmills safer (cages around the blades, tube types, etc) and quieter, but they would cost more. They aren't being forced to make them better by the government because the government wants to push wind power (unlike all the pollution control crap on today's cars). Solar power has storage issues. Lead/ acid batteries are hardly a good environmental solution (not to mention there are better things to do with all of that lead- like shoot it!).

    The government has an agenda in pushing green energy. I have no problem with funding scientific research, but I want to make sure we're getting what we're paying for. Unfortunately, most of the agenda is funding their campaign contributors.

    If you think schools don't have an agenda you're nuts. For Obama's first election the school painted a wall sized mural of Obama! Schools get funding increases from the democrats. The teachers union takes teacher's money and gives it to the democrats. See a problem there?
     

    Emperor

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    Did they do something worse or different than every other energy industry giant? I'm having a hard time discerning the source of your outrage.

    I am not defending them, but Shell, Exxon/Mobile, Bp, Entergy, etc., etc.; are all still in business and providing services. But that's not the discussion, either.
     

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    No, because I was raised to think for myself, not just believe what someone who happens to be older than me says is the truth.

    And herein lies the heart of the debate. The old and stupid vs the young and smart. I am young and have seen/know everything and you are old and have seen/know nothing.
     

    JWG223

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    And herein lies the heart of the debate. The old and stupid vs the young and smart. I am young and have seen/know everything and you are old and have seen/know nothing.

    It's not always right, many times its not, but pride, ego, and the stubborn energy of youth have certainly led to their share of "doing it another way" that turned out better.
     

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