illegally carrying concealed.. question

[JadeRaven]

Let me sift through the manure.

1: If you're savvy and creative, some of these expenses can be negated. ie; find an instructor/notary and trade skills, or attend a class that includes notary/fingerprints/photo (150 included it all for me, and class was on saturday. no lost time)
2: Anyone on just about any budget can save $300.00 in a year. If you say you can't find (or earn an additional) 25.00 a month, I question the desire. Come mow my lawn. Serious offer.
3: Many states are far more strict on the eligibility, fees, and requirements. You've got it easy.
4: If you're of the anti-pay-for-this-permit kind of mentality, you can carry legally most places you go be it in your vehicle or OC. BTW - thats free
5: How often does "cant afford the permit" equate to owning a new gun and hitting the range every weekend?

If you want to beat the drum that this should be free, hey, thats a separate argument.

If you are trying to muster sympathy about "how impossible" it is, you scare easily. If this little bit seems like a lot of work, don't even try to buy real estate, consider adoption or attempt to initiate a trust in your will.

lol the guy above was like "get your divorce decree...." if you've been divorced, this legal procedure should look like a cake walk in comparison.

1) If someone was "savvy and creative" he would have the money.
2) Simply not true. Not everyone is able-bodied. Some people are just terrible with money.
3) Sure we have it easy, but it's still burdensome.
4) Good point.
5) Not every person buys an expensive brand new gun and hits the range every weekend. See #1.
*) Not every person buys real estate, considers adoption, or even has a will.
**) Not every person is in a better place after their divorce. About half of the people who got divorced didn't pay to get divorced. Some people just show up and sign the paperwork.

Additional points: Not everyone is like you or me (e.g. sliguns' grandparents above). Life isn't as perfect for everyone as it is for you and me. You seem to lack any empathy.

 

[DAVE_M]

You seem to lack any empathy.

Put me in the boat too. Having empathy for someone who is "just terrible with money." Is like saying I should have empathy for someone who just has a little cocaine problem.

 

[kingfhb]

Empathy for someone who is hard up for money and needs food... Sure... Empathy for someone who is hard up for money to purchase a firearm, ammo and get their concealed carry permit but not train because they can't afford it? No.

 

[JadeRaven]

Given that most have to wait for their permit, you think it's unreasonable for someone to save for a couple months?

I've seen many classes offered on a Saturday/Sunday and offered for less than $100.
You want to carry legally? Don't make excuses. A couple hundred bucks isn't worth the jail time or a misdemeanor/felony on your record.

Some people are simply not able to save the money. And then for many more who could scrape it together, it would be better spent buying shoes for their kids, or donating it to church, etc.

I am not advocating or condoning illegal carry, and I agree that nobody should carry illegally. I'm just saying that getting and maintaining a concealed carry permit is not cheap. If you think all of that is cheap, then good for you, you are fortunate or you have a lot of free time.

 

[JadeRaven]

Put me in the boat too. Having empathy for someone who is "just terrible with money." Is like saying I should have empathy for someone who just has a little cocaine problem.

IMO poor people are not the equivalent of cocaine addicts.

You don't have to have empathy. You are entitled to your opinion, and it's good to know where you stand.

 

[DAVE_M]

Some people are simply not able to save the money. And then for many more who could scrape it together, it would be better spend buying shoes for their kids, or donating it to church.

I am not advocating or condoning illegal carry, and I agree that nobody should carry illegally. I'm just saying that getting and maintaining a concealed carry permit is not cheap. If you think all of that is cheap, then good for you, you are fortunate or you have a lot of free time.

See the post above yours.

Getting a permit is cheap and there are legal means of carrying that are FREE.

 

[kingfhb]

Some people are simply not able to save the money. And then for many more who could scrape it together, it would be better spend buying shoes for their kids, or donating it to church.

I am not advocating or condoning illegal carry, and I agree that nobody should carry illegally. I'm just saying that getting and maintaining a concealed carry permit is not cheap. If you think all of that is cheap, then good for you, you are fortunate or you have a lot of free time.

I find it hard to swallow that $300 is too expensive or can not be saved when I see desolate "homeless" under I-10 overpasses charging their iPhone plugged into the outlet boxes that they've broken the locks off of. If they can "scrounge" up the money for service, an iPhone... they can stand out there for the extra 1000 cars that pass by and save the extra cash to get their weapon, projectiles and permit.

Maybe if they weren't out there in their brand new Jordan's, with a nice watch, earring, etc. (I've seen them!), I would have more empathy or even give them something every now and again. Now, the guy at home who works two jobs to take care of his wife and kids that have fallen on hard times and wants a weapon for home protection because he lives in a bad neighborhood due to his financial situation... I definitely feel for that guy because that's how I came up. Though, his options on carrying the weapon are his. If he has to even set aside $1 for 300 days... he can do it. Anything is possible when it comes to necessity... and if it's THAT necessary... why bother with the permit??? I am not saying break the law... but as mentioned above... Open carry on your person on put it in the glove box when you drive.

Now if the "HOMELESS" can do it (and for the tax free HUNDREDS of dollars they receive every week)... so can anyone else. (Look up how much they make... if you figure they grab a prime location, if just 10,000 cars, which isn't many on a busy intersection, pass and only 1% give them just $1... that's $100 a day TAX FREE! $700 a week, $36,400 a year!!! TAX FREE!!!! That's like getting $60,000 a year to those who bust their hump at a JOB paying taxes every year. For what?? Holding a sign at an intersection?

I've seen the same girl at the Poydras exit for more than 2 years now... what does her sign say? What has it said since the first day I saw her? "Stranded here... please help!" - So either she has been stranded here for 2 years... or business is good on that intersection.

That's not even going into that I think they work in teams... covering different areas of the city and living together to share expenses. So two or three people can bring home $30,000 a year... that's $90,000 between the three of them living in low income housing (more than likely Section 8), and since they have "no income", getting welfare, food stamps, etc. to cover expenses.

I'm just saying... prioritize... you have other options. "CONCEALED CARRY" isn't a necessity or a right.

I should become a "homeless pimp"... gather some of them to work the intersections and bring me the money... in turn I would provide housing, food, utilities, necessities, money for a weapon, bullets and pay for their CCWP! I would CLEAN UP!!! Hell, I could have like 20 of them placed throughout the city!! If I could clear just $15,000 a year from each one (less than half of what they pull in), that's $300,000 a year!!!!! haha... I could rent an old hotel and give them rooms, a dining hall, lounge... like one big happy family making BANK for me!!!

Hell, maybe I could even apply for a grant or government funds to start a charity to pay for the hotel! HOUSING THE HOMELESS! I could have one in every state!

It definitely changes it when you look at it from a different perspective.

 

[sliguns]

My grandparents (grandfather specifically) legitimately could not afford it. They've lived in a beat-up trailer for probably the last 30 yrs of their life, barely making it by on their own (family has come to their aid in the past)...So "cheap" is a subjective term that cannot be applied to everyone . Having said that, if the only legal means to carry without additional state costs is to Open Carry, then what about if my grandfather, at 80 yrs old, doesn't want to advertise that he is carrying a gun? Does he lose his right to bear arms b/c he (a) can't afford the permission slip and (b) doesn't want to OC and show everyone an old man is carrying a gun? If that is the case, then the logical conclusion that is being proposed is that the 2nd Amendment is specific to Open Carry. I'd be interested in seeing historical literature that supports this conclusion.

 

[Wolfgang1952]

I’m not surprised; no one has not mentioned open carry the other alternative to concealed carry. No permit needed to Open Carry, It is perfectly legal to OC in La.
For one thing I am not going to ask the government for a permission slip anyway

Wolf

 

[JadeRaven]

I find it hard to swallow that $300 is too expensive or can not be saved when I see desolate "homeless" under I-10 overpasses charging their iPhone plugged into the outlet boxes that they've broken the locks off of. If they can "scrounge" up the money for service, an iPhone... they can stand out there for the extra 1000 cars that pass by and save the extra cash to get their weapon, projectiles and permit.

Maybe if they weren't out there in their brand new Jordan's, with a nice watch, earring, etc. (I've seen them!), I would have more empathy or even give them something every now and again. Now, the guy at home who works two jobs to take care of his wife and kids that have fallen on hard times and wants a weapon for home protection because he lives in a bad neighborhood due to his financial situation... I definitely feel for that guy because that's how I came up. Though, his options on carrying the weapon are his. If he has to even set aside $1 for 300 days... he can do it. Anything is possible when it comes to necessity... and if it's THAT necessary... why bother with the permit??? I am not saying break the law... but as mentioned above... Open carry on your person on put it in the glove box when you drive.

I'm just saying... prioritize... you have other options. "CONCEALED CARRY" isn't a necessity or a right.

I agree with you that there are many people who make poor financial choices or simply don't care enough to make it a priority.

But those examples of people do not describe everybody. There exist thousands, millions of people who don't have an iphone, don't have jordans, don't have luxurious jewelry, don't drive a new cadillac, and because of their circumstances they have trouble saving any significant amount of money. Any number of disabled people or elderly people fit this description. Hell, a lot of college students fit this description, people who are parents, etc.

Sure, all of these people could put change in a jar for a few hundred days and then buy it, but is this a cheap thing for someone who has to do that?

Personally I consider myself fortunate and my permits are not a big expense, but ~$300 is not "cheap" to me. There are many other ways I would love to spend $300.

You are right though, there are free options of carry available, and for the people who want to conceal carry they have to make it a financial priority.

 

[JHenley17]

Guess you just haven't read the topic, then.

 

[kingfhb]

I agree with you that there are many people who make poor financial choices or simply don't care enough to make it a priority.

But those examples of people do not describe everybody. There exist thousands, millions of people who don't have an iphone, don't have jordans, don't have luxurious jewelry, don't drive a new cadillac, and because of their circumstances they have trouble saving any significant amount of money. Any number of disabled people or elderly people fit this description. Hell, a lot of college students fit this description, people who are parents, etc.

Sure, all of these people could put change in a jar for a few hundred days and then buy it, but is this a cheap thing for someone who has to do that?

Personally I consider myself fortunate and my permits are not a big expense, but ~$300 is not "cheap" to me. There are many other ways I would love to spend $300.

You are right though, there are free options of carry available, and for the people who want to conceal carry they have to make it a financial priority.

I understand that... like I said, I came up that way. Scrounging for anything and everything and watching my father bust his hump to make ends meet so we weren't out on the street (which was a threat every month). There were times when I honestly thought if my dad owned a firearm he would have either used it to rob someone or to kill himself and get away from the situation.

Owning a weapon is not a provision given by the government. You have the freedom to possess whatever you like within the confines of the law... however, you must have the means to purchase it. Having a weapon is a LUXURY... not a necessity. Possessing one is a right, not a requirement. If it was, then a government grant would be issued to each citizen (or a tax break) to purchase one. The constitution doesn't say "One will be provided to you should you need to stand against a tyrannical government as part of a militia" (not that it identifies firearms specifically as "ARMS" anyway... they may hand you a hatchet or bow and arrow when you are standing in formation with the "militia". But that's an argument for a different day.

I just don't see the argument that we should charge less for someone wanting to get a concealed carry permit because they feel it's too expensive. Carrying concealed is NOT a right provided under the constitution... Owning a firearm technically isn't either. The RIGHT to possess one, like any other "ARMS" (within the confines of the law) is. There's a difference. Not to mention that "Technically" the right to bear arms is provided in the instance you NEED to stand up as a militia against the powers that be... it doesn't mention every day use.

 

[BIGGREEN]

This may be a stupid question but why would you want to CC in a car anyway? If it isn't already difficult enough to unholster a weapon, imagine yourself sitting down and belted in and trying to do this. It is 100% legal to have a gun in the glove compartment, open holster, storage compartment or such. Easier to access if needed. PLUS, from what I was told by my CC instructor, if you have a CC permit Open Carry is NOT an option any longer. I have been stopped a couple of times by LEOs that didn't recognize or know me and I simply informed them of the firearm and once it was taken for duration of the stop and the other I was just told to stay out of the vehicle. Funny side note. The one time that the firearm was taken and unloaded, completely including removing bullets from the "clip", I was also told by the officer that he could confiscate my "Illegal" Black Talon bullets. So that just goes to show you that not all LEOs are going to be that knowledgeable of the law itself so you are kinda goin' on a crapshoot from the start.

 

[DAVE_M]

I’m not surprised; no one has not mentioned open carry the other alternative to concealed carry. No permit needed to Open Carry, It is perfectly legal to OC in La.
For one thing I am not going to ask the government for a permission slip anyway

Wolf

It was mentioned three times...

We are well on our way to another full-retard thread.

 

[3fifty7]

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[SpeedRacer]

Open carry is the equalizer. Can't afford a concealed carry permit? Open carry. Still whining because you can't carry concealed?

 

[dk.easterly]

Coming to a firearm related forum and asking the legality of breaking the law...

Seems legit.

 

[Fred_G]

They don't have a payment plan.

For many people coming up with gasoline money is tough. $125 for the permit + $150 for the class + $25 for notary fee + $10 for fingerprints + $3.00 for the money order + $20 for photograph + a visit to your attorney to get your divorce decree + a whole work day for the class + hours and gas running around collecting all of the pieces + $5.00 postage = a huge expense and hassle for most people.

A bit OT, but I find this interesting as many say requiring a state ID to vote restricts minority voting. Would this not do such exponentially as far as the 2A?

 

[Vermiform]

Coming to a firearm related forum and asking the legality of breaking the law...

Seems legit.

I'm curious myself as to what the penalty is.

 

[SpeedRacer]

I found a couple sites with the following regarding illegal concealment of a firearm in Louisiana:

"The penalty for illegal carrying of weapons is a fine of not more than $500, or imprisoned for not more than 6 months, or both."

First offense is a misdemeanor.

Since multiple sites have the same info I assume it came from somewhere, but it is the interweb so take it for what it's worth. Second offense is much more serious, and obviously other factors such as school zones could come into play.