Shootings/death in Kenosha, WI last night

[GunRelated]

All three dudes that got hit had fairly bad to extremely bad criminal convictions. Here is the head shot victim.

 

[GunRelated]

This guy was convicted of armed robbery. I forgot what the chest wound victim was convicted of, I think it was battery and domestic abuse.

 

[Magdump]

All three dudes that got hit had fairly bad to extremely bad criminal convictions. Here is the head shot victim.

Is he the one that was yelling ‘shoot me nickel*?

 

[John_]

There is no way this kid walks away. He was 17 and unlawful to be even open carrying a weapon in WI. He has been charged with murder.

He was looking for COD in the real world....... and he found it.

Simple question........why didn't any of the other armed civilians open fire on the protestors? The pics show him with at least 4 other armed civilians.

 

[DAVE_M]

There is no way this kid walks away. He was 17 and unlawful to be even open carrying a weapon in WI. He has been charged with murder.

He was looking for COD in the real world....... and he found it.

Simple question........why didn't any of the other armed civilians open fire on the protestors? The pics show him with at least 4 other armed civilians.

The part about it being unlawful to open carry is incorrect. It may be unlawful for a 17 year old to be carrying a defensive weapon, but I can’t find any laws that prove or disprove that. I’m unfamiliar with Wisconsin law, but do know that Open Carry is legal in that state.

Supposedly the business is family owned, so that may explain why he was there.

I’ve seen conflicting video evidence that there wasn’t actually a molotov cocktail thrown at him and that it was in fact a bag with a drink. Can’t confirm... oh well.

The simple question isn’t why the others didn’t fire. It’s why did he fire in the first place? I haven’t seen “why” he popped the kiddie diddler in the head, but the other two got shot after chasing him down and trying to attack him.

 

[John_]

The part about it being unlawful to open carry is incorrect. It may be unlawful for a 17 year old to be carrying a defensive weapon, but I can’t find any laws that prove or disprove that. I’m unfamiliar with Wisconsin law, but do know that Open Carry is legal in that state.

https://www.usacarry.com/wisconsin-open-carry.html

In the link above it states open carry legal for age 18 or older. As i stated above, illegal for a 17 yo to open carry any firearm in WI.

 

[John_]

Same law in Louisiana, 18 or older to open carry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_l...ry of firearms in,passed before July 15, 1985.

 

[DAVE_M]

https://www.usacarry.com/wisconsin-open-carry.html

In the link above it states open carry legal for age 18 or older.

That’s great. My friend owns that website and can assure you he does his best to post accurate information, but he will also tell you that you really need to find the actual state laws and understand them.

The way Louisiana covers open carry is that there are no laws prohibiting the general act of open carry, but there are laws that cover where you can/can’t carry firearms. There is a statute on illegal carrying by juveniles.

http://legis.la.gov/Legis/Law.aspx?d=78747

I would have to delve into Wisconsin law and find the statute. Sorry, I don’t trust unofficial sources.

 

[DAVE_M]

The Wisconsin law can be found here:
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/55

It took me 3 minutes to find it and read it in its entirety.

I try to avoid third party sources, such as Wikipedia, when it comes to legal matters.

 

[GunRelated]

Is he the one that was yelling ‘shoot me nickel*?

That'd be the one.

 

[AndyG]

Open carrying at 17 yrs old may be a crime in Wisconsin but it doesn’t necessarily negate his self defense claim. Sure, putting himself in that situation was bad judgement but had he not been attacked, would anyone have been shot?

I don’t see a jury unanimously finding this kid guilty of 1st degree murder. Guilty of something else, sure.

 

[DAVE_M]

Open carrying at 17 yrs old may be a crime in Wisconsin but it doesn’t necessarily negate his self defense claim. Sure, putting himself in that situation was bad judgement but had he not been attacked, would anyone have been shot?

I don’t see a jury unanimously finding this kid guilty of 1st degree murder. Guilty of something else, sure.

It’s a soup sammich for sure.

He shot three scumbags. Homeboy that had his arm blown apart is already out of surgery and didn’t lose his arm. Now when they bring up the photo of him holding a pistol, when he shouldn’t be in possession as a felon, some questions will be raised.

 

[John_]

The Wisconsin law can be found here:
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/55

It took me 3 minutes to find it and read it in its entirety.

I try to avoid third party sources, such as Wikipedia, when it comes to legal matters.

So is it legal for a 17 yo to open carry in WI per your sources?

The part about it being unlawful to open carry is incorrect. It may be unlawful for a 17 year old to be carrying a defensive weapon, but I can’t find any laws that prove or disprove that.

I have never seen any state law pertaining to firearms use the terminology "defensive weapon". What exactly is classified as a "defensive weapon"?
Where would i find such terminology in state or federal laws?

 

[John_]

The way Louisiana covers open carry is that there are no laws prohibiting the general act of open carry, but there are laws that cover where you can/can’t carry firearms. There is a statute on illegal carrying by juveniles.

http://legis.la.gov/Legis/Law.aspx?d=78747

The citation you linked pertains to juveniles and handguns exclusively. So are you stating that a 16 yo can legally open carry an AR15 in Louisiana?

 

[DAVE_M]

So is it legal for a 17 yo to open carry in WI per your sources?

If by source, you mean the Wisconsin state legislative page that allows individuals to view the state laws, then yes, it is legal for a 17 year old individual to open carry if they meet specific criteria.

I do not believe that criteria is applicable in this case.

I have never seen any state law pertaining to firearms use the terminology "defensive weapon". What exactly is classified as a "defensive weapon"?
Where would i find such terminology in state or federal laws?

You mean a weapon... that is used in self defense?...

Wisconsin law has exemptions for hunting. Do you believe the exemption for hunting covers anything about use of force? I don’t.

 

[DAVE_M]

The citation you linked pertains to juveniles and handguns exclusively. So are you stating that a 16 yo can legally open carry an AR15 in Louisiana?

Yes, within context.

 

[John_]

If by source, you mean the Wisconsin state legislative page that allows individuals to view the state laws, then yes, it is legal for a 17 year old individual to open carry if they meet specific criteria.

I do not believe that criteria is applicable in this case.

I think you need to re-read your own linked/cited source, specificly 948.60 bullet 2:

948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.

(1)  In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.

(2) 
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

 

[DAVE_M]

I think you need to re-read your own linked/cited source, specificly 948.60 bullet 2:

948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.

(1)  In this section, *dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.

(2) 
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

Apparently you didn’t comprehend what I wrote.

I do not believe the criteria was met that would allow a 17 year old to be in possession of a firearm. That criteria is in regards to hunting.

 

[whbonney26]

There is no way this kid walks away. He was 17 and unlawful to be even open carrying a weapon in WI. He has been charged with murder.

He was looking for COD in the real world....... and he found it.

Simple question........why didn't any of the other armed civilians open fire on the protestors? The pics show him with at least 4 other armed civilians.

You know, I hate that its a 17 year old but its about damn time brave citizens decide to step in and defend property and people from these thugs that have been running wild for the last few months. The mayors and governors of these cities and states order police to stand down while these lawless fools run wild and inflict so much damage on communities. When they order police to stand down its only a matter of time before Americans take matters into their own hands.

You can criticize him for interjecting himself into a place with a rifle that could lead to violence but Americans need to stand up to these antifa and BLM thugs and end this crap.

 

[DAVE_M]

You know, I hate that its a 17 year old but its about damn time brave citizens decide to step in and defend property and people from these thugs that have been running wild for the last few months. The mayors and governors of these cities and states order police to stand down while these lawless fools run wild and inflict so much damage on communities. When they order police to stand down its only a matter of time before Americans take matters into their own hands.

You can criticize him for interjecting himself into a place with a rifle that could lead to violence but Americans need to stand up to these antifa and BLM thugs and end this crap.

I agree. Dude at least showed up with a med kit and seemed to be somewhat responsible when it came to shooting. He didn’t hit bystanders or go full semi auto and fire dozens of rounds. I think it’s a **** show, but I’m not upset.