no guns in Catholic churches

[Nolacopusmc]

I know...I lost it on that one. I'm very VERY angry about this.

You should know better than to say that "No one is making you be Catholic." Being Catholic yourself, you know what I mean, right?

Our right to self-defense is given by GOD and now it is legal so the Catholic Church has no reason to prevent us from exercising that right.

I'm also angry that all of the CHP holders who have been risking prosecution by CCing up to this point...will have to continue to break the law while keeping their Sacramental obligation.

I'm PISSED...and I pray that I'm calm by the next time I go to Mass...which might be tomorrow morning!

Hey, I'll ask my Bishop for a dispensation!
Dispensation is an act whereby in a particular case a lawful superior grants relaxation from an existing law.
That aught to make his Holy hour!

Ummm, maybe that is some of the fear that help justify to people that we need to "protect" some places from CHP holders.

just saying.......



(I am sure you would never do anything, but you basically just admitted to breaking the law and are very angry...about a gun law...that makes you angry....and you hope you are not ANGRY...when you go to this church with a gun you are not supposed to have there.)



Just saying. Look at what you posted.

 

[CloudStrife]

I'm thinking either this picture or a picture of Catholics in early America attending mass armed.

 

[OneStory]

No person is then.

You got it, brother!

 

[herohog]

Quote: Good question! OK, I gotta find the link to that law and go have a read now...

While your at it, see if you can find the one that requires businesses to post a sign...in Louisiana. Thanks

The sign is not required because of R.S. 40:1379.3 (N)
states that no concealed handgun may be carried into and no concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to this Section shall authorize or entitle a permittee to carry a concealed handgun in any of the following:

•A law enforcement office, station, or building;

•A detention facility, prison, or jail;

•A courthouse or courtroom, provided that a judge may carry such a weapon in his own courtroom;

•A polling place;

•A meeting place of the governing authority of a political subdivision;

•The state capitol building;

•Any portion of an airport facility where the carrying of firearms is prohibited under federal law, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, if the firearm is encased for shipment, for the purpose of checking such firearm as lawful baggage;

•Any church, synagogue, mosque or similar place of worship;

•A parade or demonstration for which a permit is issued by a governmental entity;

•Any portion of the permitted area of an establishment that has been granted a Class A-General retail permit, as defined in Part II of Chapter 1 or Part II of Chapter 2 of Title 26 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950, to sell alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.

•Any school "firearm free zone" as defined in R.S. 14:95.6.

The provisions of R.S. 40:1379.3 (N) shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section. No individual to whom a concealed handgun permit is issued may carry such concealed handgun into the private residence of another without first receiving the consent of that person.

They COULD post a sign but are not required to as it is already permitted by the statute above.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

The sign is not required because of R.S. 40:1379.3 (N)
states that no concealed handgun may be carried into and no concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to this Section shall authorize or entitle a permittee to carry a concealed handgun in any of the following:

•A law enforcement office, station, or building;

•A detention facility, prison, or jail;

•A courthouse or courtroom, provided that a judge may carry such a weapon in his own courtroom;

•A polling place;

•A meeting place of the governing authority of a political subdivision;

•The state capitol building;

•Any portion of an airport facility where the carrying of firearms is prohibited under federal law, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, if the firearm is encased for shipment, for the purpose of checking such firearm as lawful baggage;

•Any church, synagogue, mosque or similar place of worship;

•A parade or demonstration for which a permit is issued by a governmental entity;

•Any portion of the permitted area of an establishment that has been granted a Class A-General retail permit, as defined in Part II of Chapter 1 or Part II of Chapter 2 of Title 26 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950, to sell alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.

•Any school "firearm free zone" as defined in R.S. 14:95.6.

The provisions of R.S. 40:1379.3 (N) shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section. No individual to whom a concealed handgun permit is issued may carry such concealed handgun into the private residence of another without first receiving the consent of that person.

They COULD post a sign but are not required to as it is already permitted by the statute above.

Ding!

 

[herohog]

Now we throw HB1272 into the mix and go back to squre one...

 

[CloudStrife]

Since the new law allows churches to decide to allow CCing, will they be required to publicly state their position one way or the other?

 

[OneStory]

Ummm, maybe that is some of the fear that help justify to people that we need to "protect" some places from CHP holders.

just saying.......



(I am sure you would never do anything, but you basically just admitted to breaking the law and are very angry...about a gun law...that makes you angry....and you hope you are not ANGRY...when you go to this church with a gun you are not supposed to have there.)



Just saying. Look at what you posted.

Yes, I can see what you mean.

To help put it in context:
Catholic churches have Mass daily. Typically in the morning. We call it "Daily Mass". After Daily Mass, I generally talk to the priest and sometimes have coffee with him. My priests are my friends and talking to them about this would be a good thing to do before talking to the Bishop about it. I don't want to be rude to my priests or my friends so I pray that I am calm and rational enough to represent my views convincingly.

I didn't admit to breaking the law. I do know of people who have admitted to me that they have CC in church, but since CC can't be verified without negating the "concealed" part...I can't say for sure...

Which leads us to the next question....What EXACTLY is a "church", as defined by law?

 

[CloudStrife]

Which leads us to the next question....What EXACTLY is a "church", as defined by law?

There's probably some registration code that designates it as a church for tax purposes.

 

[charlie12]

Now we throw HB1272 into the mix and go back to squre one...

Why?

When the law goes in effect we as permit holders are required to know the law. And if you don't have all the other training crap and the ok from the church it's still illegal. At least that my take on it.

 

[charlie12]

I don't know but I've always heard you can buy yourself out of a marriage with an annulment. If so just get them to set a price for a permit.

 

[rm76]

Since the new law allows churches to decide to allow CCing, will they be required to publicly state their position one way or the other?

That's my point -- or question. No sign was needed under old law because it was clearly prohibited. But with the new law, a CC holder will not know which churches it is allowed in or not, unless a sign is posted.

 

[OneStory]

There's probably some registration code that designates it as a church for tax purposes.

Are you speaking of property tax? It is the property that defines where you are in the law, right?

 

[OneStory]

I don't know but I've always heard you can buy yourself out of a marriage with an annulment. If so just get them to set a price for a permit.

you heard wrong.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

Where are all my "concealed means concealed" people?

 

[OneStory]

That's my point -- or question. No sign was needed under old law because it was clearly prohibited. But with the new law, a CC holder will not know which churches it is allowed in or not, unless a sign is posted.

If that particular church has given you specific permission, then you will know whether or not a sign is present.

 

[CloudStrife]

Are you speaking of property tax? It is the property that defines where you are in the law, right?

I think this is it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)#501.28c.29.283.29

 

[OneStory]

Where are all my "concealed means concealed" people?

What if the only thing showing of your gun is the metal clip that holds it on your waist...and on the clip are the words..."handgun attached" ???

 

[OneStory]

I think this is it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)#501.28c.29.283.29

Income tax? I don't think so.

What is a "church" as it applies to this law?

Does it include ALL of the property owned by the church?
parking lot, gym, tennis court, parsonage, meeting room, open lot, vehicles, nursery, etc...
Offsite, Rented and Leased property?
motel meeting-room, food bank, soup kitchen, storage building, offices, houses for staff, retreat centers, etc...

???

 

[charlie12]

you heard wrong.

Then how do you get out of it?