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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      No, I don't think it was implied either. I made, at least what I percieve as, a very clear statement as to why religious views do not matter just below the Pat Robertson comment. "Religious beliefs are irrelevant, they do not influence law here in America. This is a civil rights issue and...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      A quick logic lesson: Name calling =/= ad hominem An ad hominem attack occurs when I say that your views are wrong because of ________ (insert certain character quality here). I just poked fun at you by sound like Pat Robertson with all this "doom and gloom God's gonna strike us down"...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      Homosexuality leading to the moral decay of a society and bring God's wrath upon that country? You sound like Pat Robertson... :crazy: Religious beliefs are irrelevant, they do not influence law here in America. This is a civil rights issue and I've already explained to you how the Supreme...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      And just because we are incapable of proving definitive answers doesn't mean that they do exist. I could claim that certain colors are objectively prettier than others, and say that just because I cannot objectively prove it doesn't mean that there isn't objective proof for it.
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      I don't see the double standard as we are talking about two different ideas. #1 Homosexuals getting married, having sex, and never producing any children does not equal: #2 Incestuous lovers getting married, having sex, and sometimes producing children with deformaties. Unless you...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      You seem to be saying that morality is objective, if that is so, objectively proving what is moral and what isn't would be as simple as ojectively proving that 3 is greater than 2. Have you ever heard of the "ought-is problem"? Given knowledge of the way the world is, how can one know the...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      Are you suggesting that if we allowed incestuous marriages that not one of them would ever produce even a single child? You do bring up a good point, though. Before we can move on we need to define marriage. It's useless if we are both discussing two different ideals. No, the argument...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      I don't believe it can be called discrimation when actual harm is befalling someone. Can you make the connection between the legal term "discrimination" and not allowing incestual relationships between two people? Systematically giving every couple genetic tests before they have sex is...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      Unfortunately, there is a fair amount of truth to that. Morality is ultimately subjective. Still, I do think that even subjectivity can be argued. Just look at Olympic sports that require judges to score performances based on certain criteria. I think that even though morality is subjective...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      Valid to the discussion at hand? It's called a logical fallacy for a reason - its an illogical angle from which to attack and idea from. I think you'll have just as much of a hard time arguing that as you've argued against gay marriage :p
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      Political Compass

      Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -5.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64 Very close to the Dalai Lama's score.
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      Take the political quiz

      Your PERSONAL issues Score is 70%. Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 70%. According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is... *drumroll* LIBERTARIAN
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      Nick posted a picture of a logical fallacy you commited, not trying to rub that in your face or anything. I just wasn't sure if you got the message.
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      I trolled a bit on some of the topic here before deciding to join. I created an account, forgot about it, was deleting some old messages out of my email, as I was deleting some of the emails I saw some from bayoushooters but had just deleted them, came here, typed in the wrong password, got...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      Ah, a stab at some off topic information to see if I even belong here - probably because you don't like what I type. I wonder if you'd be asking me this question if I agreed with everything you said?
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      Pretty sure homosexual marriage met its defeat largely because of the black vote in California. I believe if the black vote mirrored the white vote, it would have been enough of a flip to actually change the result. Since gays aren't being allowed to marry, exactly whats being forced down...
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      Considering gallop polls have had support for interacial marriage in the mid to upper 70's for almost a decade now, I think it might be more helpful if you told me where in the USA do you live?
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      NWS eh? I sure hope its not material that would... undermine your heterosexual marriage... that would be just horrible! :rofl:
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      What impact of great magnitude did interacial marriages bring to our society?
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      Is Banning Gay Marriage Constitutional?

      I'm not a homosexual :)
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