CPL_Primeaux
AK-holic
Why is it a conspiracy?
Why is what a conspiracy? Im sorry , I dont understand what you mean .
Why is it a conspiracy?
A quick search brings up a lot more to the story....
http://news4themasses.wordpress.com...ing-but-for-failing-to-obey-the-law/#comments
The way I understood the article was that the city had no problem with the church gathering, but it had to comply to fire code and other regulations.
I think there is more to the story. IF the guy was doing this on a regular basis, with a large number of people, then I think he had every intention of operating a "church", as defined by the law. Maybe the guy was simply trying to operate without having to deal with the hassle or costs of meeting the requirements for zoning and compliance. In which case, in my opinion, he is intentionally trying to bypass certain things by insisting his gatherings are something different in nature than they are. I'm a firm believer in freedom of religion, but I don't like when people abuse our fundamental rights in an effort to benefit themselves.
DONT GET ME WRONG! I'm not saying this was the case with this man. It's just my 'assumption' based on what I've read and my experience with human nature. Personally, My beliefs say that a church is any gathering of believers worshiping, whether 2 or 2,000, but that's just my belief.
Why is what a conspiracy? Im sorry , I dont understand what you mean .
Omg! He's being persecuted!! OH NOES
The dirty jews and Muslims...
You are so blinded by your hope that there is an anti christian conspiracy you refuse to look objectively.
Having been in combat, and through the army, I cannot understand why you believe in the media. The same media that says we are not wanted overseas by anyone and we do not make a difference
So if your neighbor routinely had people over to read a bible you would call the cops? Now if he was doing it on a bull horn in his front yard maybe. From what I gather they were having a get together reading and talking about their faith .
Although I have never seen a street preacher get arrested and they annoy the hell out of me. But I would not think about calling the police on them for preaching on a corner.
"Phoenix City Prosecutor Vicki Hill said in a statement: *It came down to zoning and proper permitting. Anytime you are holding a gathering of people continuously as he does, we ave concerns about people being able to exit the facility properly in case there is a fire, and that’s really allt his comes down to.*
This is about Government thinking they can protect us better than we can protect ourselves while trying to make a buck .
How is operating a church without proper zoning treading on any ones right? Like I said, unless they are on your property or something I dont see anything wrong with it. The article never indicated they were treading on anyone. If it did I missed it.Unless they were intruding on someone else I dont see the problem . 20 cars on someone elses lawn is none of my business. Now if its 20 broke down cars stored in someones front lawn and zoning laws dont allow it then yeah , hes in the wrong. But a gathering on someone elses property is none of my business and it damn sure is none of the governments business, federal or local.
If you read the link posted by HB, it's pretty informative and contains a lot of information and facts that were collected.
The man has operated multiple churches, and had every intention of operating this as a church, not an independent bible study. He knew what he was doing, and the "bible study" just a scam to get around the hassles he didn't want to face. He called it a church. He had it filed as a 501c Church. His website listed it as a church, and gave his home address as the church address.
He knew what he was doing, and all the hooplah and "feel sorry for me" is just a way for him to use you and everyone else with Christian values to his advantage.
But you're never going to give, and I've read and seen too much to concede what I feel is the truth. So, it is what it is. It's just one issue in a world of many, and there is no sense in letting myself get fired up and potentially lose someone who could later become a friend.
It has nothing to do with religion to me. If any of my neighbors routinly have allot of guest yes I would contact the HOA and if need be the cops. I'm not talking about once or twice as everbody has company sometimes. But if it turned in to a habit (and every Sunday is a habit) I would not be happy
A quick search brings up a lot more to the story....
http://news4themasses.wordpress.com...ing-but-for-failing-to-obey-the-law/#comments
i would be willing to bet that the authorities who enforce the zoning law, didn't raid the home to bust a Bible study.. it was probably an Agnostic neighbor who rode the fences of the property lines and when they found out they were having a Bible study, they did all they could to prevent further gatherings at the house... this is a perfect case where the governor should use her power to pardon...
No problem. I just live and let live too. But sometimes people won't let me live like I want
I'd be willing to bet it's all about this;
Does it look like an Emergency Vehicle could get through there speedily?
If my house burns down b/c your car was in the way, I'd be a little upset and you'd know it.
It's the same reason Block Parties get busted up. You have to have a PERMIT to impede Traffic.
When I lived in Ruston I attended a Bible Study on Thursdays at a guys house in a nice little subdivision. A Cop stopped by once and informed the owner of the house about what I mentioned above. He said it’s up to you but if you don’t mind just let them park on your lawn. So every study after that he set up a little parking lot with cones for everyone to park on his grass so as to not impede traffic by everyone parking on the side of the road in front of his house.
Either way, we should be mindful of the law. If your house and yard isn’t sufficient enough, you might have to think about having the study somewhere else.