Actually Glock offers agencies that have S&W M&P's brand new Glocks for the M&P's for free. Then Glock makes more money selling the M&P's it's a money making by Glock selling a superior product!
Actually Glock offers agencies that have S&W M&P's brand new Glocks for the M&P's for free. Then Glock makes more money selling the M&P's it's a money making by Glock selling a superior product!
Actually Glock offers agencies that have S&W M&P's brand new Glocks for the M&P's for free. Then Glock makes more money selling the M&P's it's a money making by Glock selling a superior product!
So what you're saying is that M&P is a superior product to Glock?
In their current stock form, they are NOT. They do have the potential to be, but with the trigger issues, extractor issues and spotty accuracy in 9mm guns, they aren't.
Hey, I'm an S&W fan, have been for years. I still think the 3rd Gen Smith autos were some of the most well built, reliable guns made. I own several of them and several S&W revolvers.
I just don't think the M&P is a better gun than the Glock.
Just going by the number of parts (or lack of), the Glock is a very simple machine to operate, diagnose and repair. I think that is the main reason it has been so successful.
No, there is absolutely no respectful argument one can make in support of the factory M&P trigger. None. It's garbage. Unless, you know, you don't think you should be able to shoot from the reset, and stuff. I've not experienced a single stock M&P with more than a couple boxes of ammo through it that had a discernible (tactile OR audible) reset. Having to slap the trigger from full extension is pretty shitty. Others complain about grittiness or some feeling in the takeup or some spongy feeling in the break or something... I don't care much about all that, personally, on a gun like this. But being unable to detect when the trigger has reset is a deal breaker 100% to me.
I'd have switched to Glock if I didn't have so many well used M&P9 mags and an M&P frame that I've done a chop job to that I wouldn't be able to recoup enough money from.
I've seen some chatter about barrel twist being wrong, or something, for some bullet weights of ammo, but haven't experienced it myself. My M&P9 seems to shoot my heavier SD ammo better, and the 115gr blaster ammo shoots well enough, and so I'm pleased.
No, there is absolutely no respectful argument one can make in support of the factory M&P trigger. None. It's garbage. Unless, you know, you don't think you should be able to shoot from the reset, and stuff. I've not experienced a single stock M&P with more than a couple boxes of ammo through it that had a discernible (tactile OR audible) reset. Having to slap the trigger from full extension is pretty shitty. Others complain about grittiness or some feeling in the takeup or some spongy feeling in the break or something... I don't care much about all that, personally, on a gun like this. But being unable to detect when the trigger has reset is a deal breaker 100% to me.
I'd have switched to Glock if I didn't have so many well used M&P9 mags and an M&P frame that I've done a chop job to that I wouldn't be able to recoup enough money from.
I've seen some chatter about barrel twist being wrong, or something, for some bullet weights of ammo, but haven't experienced it myself. My M&P9 seems to shoot my heavier SD ammo better, and the 115gr blaster ammo shoots well enough, and so I'm pleased.
I'm nothing like Jerry Miculek. I need a semi-auto I can shoot from reset.
How are people 'outrunning the sights' ? That sounds more like recoil management issues and shooting before the gun settles back on target.
I can see how the M&P can be seen to have a good trigger compared to a DAO revolver, though, yes. I guess in some contexts the M&P has a good trigger; but compared to other guns in it's "class" I believe it is untrue. I've got only several thousand through 2 M&P 9mm guns, but it doesn't take long to assess the trigger.
That's what I thought you meant by outrunning the sights. There's a simple solution to that, which is to not pull the trigger until you're aiming at what you're supposed to be aiming at. What you indicate is a problem, I call a benefit. It means the trigger is not forcing me to shoot slower than I am otherwise able. If you're shooting a gun as fast as the trigger allows you to, and the sights are on target by the time you manage to pull that trigger again; chances are that trigger is handicapping your ability.
On a stock M&P, the reset does occur before the trigger is fully let out, however there is no actual way to know this, and despite my best efforts, a couple thousand repeitions, dry firing practice, as well as professional training, there were a great many times I pulled the trigger before it was reset, resulting in failure I won't tolerate. Instead, I installed aftermarket springs and parts and regained what any semiauto striker fired pistol should have; a tactile reset I can feel and get feedback from, to know that my trigger is ready to fire again, as well as a bit of a click to help it bump forward past the reset, to minimize the possibility of short stroking the trigger, which the stock parts lacked.