It's become a "target-rich environment" that's for damned sure...
I wonder how Lafayette is...
Baton Rouge crime is getting ridiculous...
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I wonder how Lafayette is...
I am completely serious. I am not advocating drug use, but I do not think our laws affect the use of drugs-but do affect the cost of drugs and the associated crime.
You would have never heard of Al Capone if alcohol had been legal at that time.
The question has been asked, "what needs to be done?"
I'm certainly no expert. Not by any means.
I believe the police do their jobs, and do it well.
But I believe most of us would like to see an overhaul of a judicial system that has transformed our correctional facilities into lifelong daycare centers, and denied true justice for the victims & their survivors of crimes such as the one we're talking about here.
All "toughguy" talk aside- who among us honestly would not be chomping at the bits to get at the worthless, no good sonofabitch that killed our loved one?
There was a day in this country when being convicted beyond resonable doubt of a vicious murder meant swinging from the end of a rope- sooner rather than later. Not any more, Jack.
Tell me- is there any reason someone such as Derrick Todd Lee should still be breathing air on this good Earth? I can't think of any- but I'm not perfect.
I do not understand the logic behind allowing people such as this lingering in prison for 15-20 years ON THE TAXPAYERS' DIME after they are sentenced to death. Appeals, appeals, appeals, and more appeals. It's f**king ridiculous. I'd say that's a much better deal than the victims of these bastards got.
Some of them aren't scared of the death penalty? Fine. But I can guarantee you that once they are taken out forever, their days of playing the fearless killer are OVER. And that's what matters. Kill & bury them, and you don't waste any more money on them.
Nobody has a perfect plan- but IMHO, the system sucks.
I'm certainly no expert. Not by any means.
I believe the police do their jobs, and do it well.
But I believe most of us would like to see an overhaul of a judicial system that has transformed our correctional facilities into lifelong daycare centers, and denied true justice for the victims & their survivors of crimes such as the one we're talking about here.
All "toughguy" talk aside- who among us honestly would not be chomping at the bits to get at the worthless, no good sonofabitch that killed our loved one?
There was a day in this country when being convicted beyond resonable doubt of a vicious murder meant swinging from the end of a rope- sooner rather than later. Not any more, Jack.
Tell me- is there any reason someone such as Derrick Todd Lee should still be breathing air on this good Earth? I can't think of any- but I'm not perfect.
I do not understand the logic behind allowing people such as this lingering in prison for 15-20 years ON THE TAXPAYERS' DIME after they are sentenced to death. Appeals, appeals, appeals, and more appeals. It's f**king ridiculous. I'd say that's a much better deal than the victims of these bastards got.
Some of them aren't scared of the death penalty? Fine. But I can guarantee you that once they are taken out forever, their days of playing the fearless killer are OVER. And that's what matters. Kill & bury them, and you don't waste any more money on them.
Nobody has a perfect plan- but IMHO, the system sucks.
Absolutely. If they'd simply follow Common Law - which is what our system is based upon. It's being interpreted to violate the laws of the land (and the "laws of society").
Been there; done that... it's consuming if you allow it. You have to "let it go". Trust me.
I'm not at all "religious" but I have a very strong spiritual bent. I don't find it palatable (or correct) to kill a human being unless saving the life of myself or another innocent. All of mankind's religion pretty much state the same, for whatever that's worth to you.
Yeah, they claim "they aint scared to die". A few would be that way but the majority aren't. They've lost ALL hope is what it is (I my opinion). Death is their only "escape". So I say, "DENY!" Force them to live in a system/condition they deplore; live with your conscience, if you have one or live confined and miserable. I'd wish for death over prison. I couldn't imagine living in a box with fiends and being treated like one. It takes a mighty strong person to do time. THAT I'll concede.
Then there are the issues of the judicial system that for political reasons convict some and covers for others. I'm not 100% sure of all persons in prison today and I know several who SHOULD be in prison who are not; some of them appear to be lionized by "respectable" members of society to boot.
If you eliminate welfare you will eliminate alot of crime. Those who have all of this free time since they get their food stamps, rent paid for, cell phone pre paid, and a tax refund on taxes they never paid will have to become productive to make it. It might take a generation or two to straighten things out, but atleast we could try to reduce those that feel entitled to a free ride.
Another reason is because the coroner and most judges are elected positions. They run on a "law and order" platform which in realspeak equates to sending as many folks as possible to the chair. This is a great thing for people like me with property to protect. Hell! Send a message! Leave heads on pikes at every street corner! The only problem is what happens to the powerless people who get railroaded by a justice system that thrives on body-counts? When I lived in Austin, we caught the coroner in a scam in which for decades he had been giving false testimony in criminal proceedings - testimony that supported the DA. People went to death row based on the outcomes of these trials.
A whole slew of those cases were overturned immediately when the coroner got caught.
Is that what you want?
Back when our "justice system" sent people to the gallows quickly it was guys like Roy Bean (He was the law west of the Pecos.) who did so with little respect for the Bill Of Rights. The convicted guys swung the next day - not enough time for an appeal that might have exonerated them.
No, that's not what I want for my children who might join the wrong political party or own property in the footprint of a new mega-plex planned by someone powerful enough to influence a judge.
I feel in my heart the same way you do OleHeat, but when I think about what I said above, I get the chills.
A whole slew of those cases were overturned immediately when the coroner got caught.
Is that what you want?
Back when our "justice system" sent people to the gallows quickly it was guys like Roy Bean (He was the law west of the Pecos.) who did so with little respect for the Bill Of Rights. The convicted guys swung the next day - not enough time for an appeal that might have exonerated them.
No, that's not what I want for my children who might join the wrong political party or own property in the footprint of a new mega-plex planned by someone powerful enough to influence a judge.
I feel in my heart the same way you do OleHeat, but when I think about what I said above, I get the chills.
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How about "workfare"? You do an HONEST day's work I have little issue paying you to eat and keep a roof over your head. Just require you to take a drug test from time to time and no more pregnancies while you're on "workfare". Cleaning the medians, shoulders and cleaning up roadkill would be a start. Hell, I'd even canvass the locals for work to be done and part out the workload. They'd be too busy and tired to do much of anything.
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Just curious, what would happen?
Let them score a cookie the size of an X Large pizza, go hide in the closet, and mainline it until their heart stops, then i'm not paying for jail/legal system. If an adult wants to poison his/herself, they should have the liberty to do so.
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Where there is life there exists hope. EVERYONE who is on welfare is not a goblin. Yes, the "Welfare System" as devised is accomplishing it's goal: demoralized, "worthless" as we perceive it, criminalized, permanent underclass. They are still HUMAN BEINGS and we *MUST* show them the way or we will continue with this hellish social experiment which we ALL see as failed. I cannot just "give up" and walk away - as depressing as it is much of the time.
Everyone has an opinion and everyone has a right to express it. I have some reservations about making drugs legal. First, it was thought that you had to have an addictive personality to become addicted. However, I have read that the more powerful drugs today can addict anyone. Second, who is to support the addicts. If one is addicted can they perform any gainful employment or will they become a burden on the taxpayer? If they cannot perform gainful employment will they not turn to a life of crime to support their habit? Third, will we have more addicts;and, therefore, have more govt tax supported treatment facilities? Who is to pay for this? It seems some European countries that had permissive policies are now backing off a bit. Fourth, what about those addicts who drive etc while under the influence and cause harm to others? All you have to do is look at MAD for answers there. Fifth, what general harm will it do our society. Will we have to mount and pay for educational campaigns to stop the now legal influence of drugs? Last, exactly where does one draw the line about who can purchase these drugs? If you say they cannot be sold on the grammar school or high school campus, then you have not really legalized them.
Seems to me, there are too many unanswered questions that need to be answered and possible unintended consequences of such an approach. History has taught us that legalizing drugs has increased the number of addicts ( " The Ascent of Money"). Let's try to answer all the questions first before applying the solution.
Seems to me, there are too many unanswered questions that need to be answered and possible unintended consequences of such an approach. History has taught us that legalizing drugs has increased the number of addicts ( " The Ascent of Money"). Let's try to answer all the questions first before applying the solution.
Two more things I would like to briefly address. For those of you who were talking about Perry Stephens. I know him personally. He now lives out of state. I do not know where you got your information; but most of you are somewhat off track as to what actually went on. He did not " fall apart." He was an invalid when he helped the police officer and was left with no choice in the shooting. Fourteen other people stood there and watched doing nothing. Mr. Stephens does feel he received somewhat shoddy treatment from the powers that be, but none harassed him either. He spent $25,000 of his own money for legal defense. Shootings are costly.
For the gentlemen that said, if he felt he had to have a gun, then he felt it was time to seek a new neighborhood, I suggest he look at the terrible crime that occurred in the upscale neighborhood in Connecticut a few years ago. A family was held hostage and then murdered with the father ( a Dr) being the only one escaping. Many lessons to be learned from that happening. One of which, is the old refrain of " that never happens here" is pretty false. It can happen anywhere any neighborhood.
For the gentlemen that said, if he felt he had to have a gun, then he felt it was time to seek a new neighborhood, I suggest he look at the terrible crime that occurred in the upscale neighborhood in Connecticut a few years ago. A family was held hostage and then murdered with the father ( a Dr) being the only one escaping. Many lessons to be learned from that happening. One of which, is the old refrain of " that never happens here" is pretty false. It can happen anywhere any neighborhood.
The violent crime problem vis-a-vis illegal drugs has very little to do with the drugs themselves and their use, and everything to do with the smugglers. The distribution network is where the violent crime occurs.
Back in the 80s and early 90s I was dealing, and trust me, the consumers mostly were pretty pathetic people just dragging themselves along, while the dealers - specially up the chain - were where the violence occurred. If you didn't want to get involved in the violence - as I didn't - you had to get out of the business. Users - except for an extremely small minority - can support their habits if the prices aren't too high. Witness all those pathetic smokers out there.
A side benefit to legalizing most narcotics is it takes most of the profit out of people growing coca and cannabis for the cartels thereby drying up much of the source for the stuff.
In the short term it would be pretty bad, but after a couple years when officials learn which laws work and which ones don't the problem will solve itself.
Back in the 80s and early 90s I was dealing, and trust me, the consumers mostly were pretty pathetic people just dragging themselves along, while the dealers - specially up the chain - were where the violence occurred. If you didn't want to get involved in the violence - as I didn't - you had to get out of the business. Users - except for an extremely small minority - can support their habits if the prices aren't too high. Witness all those pathetic smokers out there.
A side benefit to legalizing most narcotics is it takes most of the profit out of people growing coca and cannabis for the cartels thereby drying up much of the source for the stuff.
In the short term it would be pretty bad, but after a couple years when officials learn which laws work and which ones don't the problem will solve itself.
Even now, generally you don't "have" too. People carry guns in case they need it. Bad things happen to good people in good neighborhoods.
Apparently "The Ascent Of Money" missed the way we're dealing with tobacco.
