Biden Closes Gun Show Loophole.

[Manimal]

All of this is to make the rules vague and scare people way from selling their guns. Basically your gun collection is worthless now because you can't sell it without fear of going to jail.

You can still go through your licensed government registration enrollment officer/llc, and keep your papers.

 

[jcbvh]

So if I want to sell a AR, glock, 1911 etc., all I have to do is sell the frame which is the firearm for $1 and take a loss then sell the parts that go with it for the original price of the completed firearm.

 

[SBR1861]

“if you sell guns predominantly to earn a profit, you must be licensed and you must conduct background checks.”
The new rule will expand the definition of who is “engaged in the business” of selling firearms and now required to conduct background checks—for example, sellers who “repetitively” sell firearms within 30 days of their purchase, or sell guns that are new or “like new” and in their original packaging.

my guess is no. Except for a few people.

The Supreme Court is to decide on Chevron deference and this will be moot.

 

[Casper]

Says “anyone selling guns online”.
Does that mean no more gun listings in the marketplace once this takes effect?

My brother was a prominant FFL in this area for years and assures me that this is political saber rattling. There are work-arounds. Just work with folks that you know or have been vetted.

 

[GunRelated]

But that IS their endgame, they aren't hiding it. They want universal background checks. They want every single gun bought and sold to be tracked. They are forthcoming with that at least. This is the first step. With Democrats, and peoples fundamental rights, there is never just a rule to immediately take their rights, they do it over decades.

No, this is far from the first step. The first step was the first regulation.

 

[340six]

The end game is to one day register all weapons in a data base.

 

[OldSchool45]

“Under this regulation, it will not matter if guns are sold on the internet, at a gun show, or at a brick-and-mortar store: if you sell guns predominantly to earn a profit, you must be licensed, and you must conduct background checks,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said in a statement.

So who decides if someone "makes a profit" on a gun sale??

It appears that the Biden admin has hijacked the so-called Safer Communities Act that was passed in 2022. What's your thoughts on this and will Bayou Shooter have to close the marketplace?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/11/politics/gun-show-loophole-rule-finalized-biden-admin/index.html

 

[southerncanuck]

The new rule will effect guys asking for bills of sales when selling their private firearms. Need a reciept then you are a gundealer. Tried to tell you guys this.

Absolutely and brazenly incorrect.

The BOS (up until now at least -- @thperez1972 makes a good point) is primarily to have a record of the serial number transfer from one dude to the next, it's not a "receipt" in the commercial sense. If you're not sure of why you'd want such a record, then we can all disregard anything even remotely sounding like legal advice coming from you, moving forward.

 

[southerncanuck]

Says “anyone selling guns online”.
Does that mean no more gun listings in the marketplace once this takes effect?

The marketplace section here isn't an e-commerce site, it's a classifieds site. As you said, these are just listings same as if we put an ad in a newspaper or a flyer on a telephone pole. You can't actually purchase anything natively here on BS (other than a membership, of course).

 

[AdvancedLaser]

The marketplace section here isn't an e-commerce site, it's a classifieds site. As you said, these are just listings same as if we put an ad in a newspaper or a flyer on a telephone pole. You can't actually purchase anything natively here on BS (other than a membership, of course).

THIS.
And beyond the connection of two parties the relationship of this board, and the gun buyer/seller, ends.

Its up to the buyer/seller to effect a person to person transfer on a 4473 if required by law.

 

[MilOperator]

I assume you all missed this part ??

"Individuals who purchase or sell guns for the “enhancement of a personal collection or a legitimate hobby” are not required to register and conduct background checks."

I also heard someone a while back say "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor... if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan." Just cause they say it now it don't mean they will abide by it later.

 

[hotbiggun]

Absolutely and brazenly incorrect.

The BOS (up until now at least -- @thperez1972 makes a good point) is primarily to have a record of the serial number transfer from one dude to the next, it's not a "receipt" in the commercial sense. If you're not sure of why you'd want such a record, then we can all disregard anything even remotely sounding like legal advice coming from you, moving forward.

You must be a millenial. Let me tell you how this stuff works.
The ATF will reclassify the BOS as a official documentation for those who request them for private sales and therefore the property of the .gov. . I mean why wouldnt they?

 

[AdvancedLaser]

You must be a millenial. Let me tell you how this stuff works.
The ATF will reclassify the BOS as a official documentation for those who request them for private sales and therefore the property of the .gov. . I mean why wouldnt they?

The irony is thick that you call him a millennial then proceed to lecture him as they do.

Just because YOU formulate some draconian requirement process in your wild imagination does not mean its going to happen, and these proclamations you make here for the uninformed to read and believe makes you just look tin foil'ish.

In you spare time, between coming up with these wild scenarios, and blaming others for not subscribing, research the Paperwork Reduction Act.

 

[AdvancedLaser]

I also heard someone a while back say "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor... if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan." Just cause they say it now it don't mean they will abide by it later.

You got that right. We shall see.

 

[IlivnDaBoot!]

And that airport exexutive they murdered for selling his "personal collection"

And the rule/ law hadn't even been passed yet. Pretty sad if you ask me.

 

[IlivnDaBoot!]

The other thing that was funny was how the one politician was all for it, then after it passed and he actually found out that he gave people's rights away he was all "no no no this is wrong. What have I done "

 

[Mitch Dufour]

Another inch, another mile.

 

[thperez1972]

You must be a millenial. Let me tell you how this stuff works.
The ATF will reclassify the BOS as a official documentation for those who request them for private sales and therefore the property of the .gov. . I mean why wouldnt they?

It's called a bill of sale but most people don't use it as such. It's usually a document of transfer and, in most cases, does not list a dollar amount. With no dollar amount, it would be next to impossible to establish any sort of profit was made from the transfer. As far as it being an official document establishing the transfer of a weapon from one person to another, of course. That the purpose of asking for one.

 

[Magdump]

The marketplace section here isn't an e-commerce site, it's a classifieds site. As you said, these are just listings same as if we put an ad in a newspaper or a flyer on a telephone pole. You can't actually purchase anything natively here on BS (other than a membership, of course).

Thanks for your input, but I’m asking the powers that be if that’s going to be a possibility here on the site, I’m not asking anyone to define the law.

 

[southerncanuck]

Thanks for your input, but I’m asking the powers that be if that’s going to be a possibility here on the site, I’m not asking anyone to define the law.

I'm not defining the law at all. I was just pointing out the essential differences between sales and advertising.