Black Friday comes early as computer glitches cause welfare benefits frenzy

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  • freedive10

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    If anyone doubts what human nature can turn into in desperate times, they don't watch the news. First the images of our Katrina looters all over the news now this. Just somthing to think about when the SHTF:

    In some Walmart stores, customers emptied shelves like it was Black Friday, while in others, no one could buy anything -- all thanks to a weekend of glitches with the nation's welfare system.

    Problems involving Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) cards, the government payments to the poor that are administered by states with the help of private companies, plagued at least 17 states Saturday and Sunday, creating retail riots. At Louisiana stores in Springhill and Mansfield, cards registered no spending limits, prompting recipients to go on buying binges.

    "It was worse than any Black Friday,” Springhill Police Chief Will Lynd told local station KSLA-TV.



    "It was worse than any black Friday.”

    - Wll Lynd, Springhill, La., police chief


    Customers said shelves were picked clean in a mob scene that left employees rattled. Walmart spokeswoman Kayla Whaling told the station the company made a conscious decision to keep ringing up goods rather than to cut people off.

    "We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards (and purchases on WIC and SNAP) during the outage so that they could get food for their families," she said.

    But when order was restored and the cards began reading properly, it became clear that some customers were out to take advantage of the taxpayer-funded program. One woman had $700 worth of merchandise in her cart and an EBT card with a balance of just 49 cents.

    The glitches, which were apparently triggered by a a system failure at Xerox, which handles processing for many states, left other users unable to buy anything. At a Mississippi Walmart, customers rioted and even left the store with groceries without paying after they were unable to use their food stamp cards on Saturday, according to the Clarion-Ledger.

    The mini riot happened at the Walmart in Philadelphia, Miss. Shortly thereafter, managers decided to temporarily close the store.

    “For the safety of our customers we did make a management decision to close the store," Whaling said of the Mississippi incident. "We’re looking into everything; looking at surveillance video and working with the local police.”

    While Walmart, as the nation's biggest retailer and grocer, was affected most, the glitch hampered customers at other stores, as well. In Massachusetts, nearly 1 million EBT card users were unable to access the SNAP food program or withdraw cash, said Matthew Kitsos, spokesman with the Massachusetts Department of Transitional Assistance.

    “We didn’t have answers for them, except for that there were problems in the state,” the manager of a Market Basket in Somerville, who asked that his name not be used, told the Boston Herald. “A lot of people are depending on them. They have kids; they depend on that money.”

    Xerox spokeswoman Karen Arena told USA Today that some Electronic Benefits Transfer systems were experiencing connectivity issues after a routine test of a backup system at a location in the Midwest caused an outage. U.S. Department of Agriculture spokeswoman Courtney Rowe underscored that the outage was not related to the federal government shutdown. Xerox runs EBT card systems for 17 states. All were affected by the outage.

    Reports surfaced around 9 a.m. Saturday that customers' EBT cards were not working in stores. Other affected states included Alabama, California, Georgia, Iowa, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/14/computer-glitches-causes-public-assistance-frenzy/
     

    TAS

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    No big surprise there! When was the last time those freeloaders exercised a state of civility during condition of lawlessness?! To them, "it all free".
     
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    My son was at the WM in New Iberia during this grand theft. He's 6'4", a black belt and "carries" but felt very uncomfortable and left. He called me from the parking lot to ask if I knew what was going on (I didn't at the time) cuz "they" all had 2-3 baskets of mostly meat and the shelves were nearly empty. Thought maybe the revolution had started or something. Strange how quickly the word spread in that community that there was a glitch in the system that could be taken advantage of.
    Think we'll ever recover any of that stolen food? (Rhetorical question.)
     

    CatCam

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    I will wait for any politician to come out and say we'll hold these animals accountable.......and wait, and wait, and wait.........Yeah, that's the problem, our LEADERS don't lead and they sure don't hold these types accountable. This is their voter base!

    Can't be hard to catch these people, they did use a traceable EBT card for the purchase so #1, they know who made the purchase and #2, they know the amount! Just deduct this on their future EBT balance amount.....
     

    JNieman

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    You folks do know these leeches also bought electronics too?

    Citation?

    That's nothing like the glitch that was originally reported. The initial glitch was that peoples EBT card was showing no limit. A lack of limit shouldn't particularly mean that unqualified purchases were suddenly qualified to be purchased with EBT. There's only two reasons they could have bought electronics during this situation. The glitch was much more broad than previously stated, or Wal Mart was literally letting them load up carts and walk out without going through the check-out line at all or ringing them up. In the latter case, they'd have no way to recoup the paltry $50 for the transaction as they'd have no record. Additionally, if it was the latter, then fine, let Wal Mart eat it, and the scumbags got a lucky day. I'm not going to pity Wal Mart for literally giving away all their merchandise.
     

    Emperor

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    Citation?

    That's nothing like the glitch that was originally reported. The initial glitch was that peoples EBT card was showing no limit. A lack of limit shouldn't particularly mean that unqualified purchases were suddenly qualified to be purchased with EBT. There's only two reasons they could have bought electronics during this situation. The glitch was much more broad than previously stated, or Wal Mart was literally letting them load up carts and walk out without going through the check-out line at all or ringing them up. In the latter case, they'd have no way to recoup the paltry $50 for the transaction as they'd have no record. Additionally, if it was the latter, then fine, let Wal Mart eat it, and the scumbags got a lucky day. I'm not going to pity Wal Mart for literally giving away all their merchandise.

    Advocate.com
     

    JNieman

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    http://theadvocate.com/home/7320109-125/state-taxpayers-dont-have-to
    Others followed the emergency procedure that allows up to $50 in authorized purchases per patron.

    At Wal-Marts in Mansfield and Springhill, cashiers allowed EBT recipients to make purchases even though they could not check their card balances. The cashiers stored the transactions so they could run them later when the system rebounded.
    Wal-Mart spokeswoman Kayla Whaling said Monday the chain is looking further into the situation before deciding whether to press charges.

    She would not specify how many dollars Wal-Mart lost, but said it had no material impact on the chain’s U.S. business.

    *We did continue to accept EBT cards so our customers could continue to buy food and other necessities for their families. The two incidents that did occur in Louisiana are isolated,* Whaling said.

    I don't see any mention of purchased electronics using the EBT cards. I found the above details informational though.
     

    oleheat

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    Watch them hold Walmart responsible in the end.


    A spokesman for the State of LA already said Walmart would only be reimbursed $50 per transaction. But I guess that's what they get for trying to cater to these ferals who lined up to steal from the taxpayer & trash the store in the process. :dunno:

    I like what other states (Maine was one of them) did. As soon as the glitch was discovered, all EBT cards were frozen.
     

    JNieman

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    I like what other states (Maine was one of them) did. As soon as the glitch was discovered, all EBT cards were frozen.

    There is an emergency provision specifically crafted for these situations that provides the $50 sale. I don't fault them for freezing it, but I don't fault the $50 limit that /the vast majority/ enacted.

    It was two isolated stores in Louisiana that just let people have a free for all, apparently, and not a widespread thing like previous news reports had me thinking. Those two isolated stores should be hung out to dry. They went against written policy, which is to limit them to $50, and then corporate just told them to let them have it all, and even told police not to prosecute people with less than a dollar limit from trying to walk out with $700 in product. So let Wal Mart eat it.

    The police spokesman quoted in one article said it's no different than writing a bad check. I agree, but with the caveat that in this instance, Wal Mart /knows/ it's a bad check right up front, so they are no long the victim as they would be with a bad check. They are not complicit with the actions and so it transitions from thievery to charity. Wal Mart willingly gave away stuff they knew the purchases had no money for. That's fine, that's their decision, and I'm glad those two stores are only getting $50 per transaction /which is the emergency policy/.

    Wal Mart doesn't care about the loss. Seriously a few thousand dollars in product is a drop in the water in a hurricane to corporate, I'm sure. I wonder how much produce they /regularly/ throw away anyways.
     

    oleheat

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    It's just the mentality itself that's so disgusting to me. It's like when a gas station erroneously prices gasoline far below cost- and cell phones blow up telling others to 'come & git it'.

    It is STEALING, on multiple fronts- not a windfall of some sort. And then some guy who was there said on the news 'this is just a normal, human reaction.' Seriously???

    Wrong. This is Third World crap, IMHO.

    Sickening. :dunno:
     

    madwabbit

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    The function of the EBT card only accepts specific items from the stores inventory. Every item in the store's inventory has a code for EBT enabled purchase, E1 or E0. E1 being enabled, 0 being not.

    It is an absolute impossibility that anything other than EBT enabled items was rung up through their register. The stores in other states though, they just looted and stole the electronics- they were not purchased with the EBT card. the "glitch" was that there were no spending limits, so they emptied shelves of anything and everything that qualified.

    - Walmart Operations manager for 7 years.
     

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