Donald Trump just AGREED with the no fly/no buy gun control list in the debate.

[#1bambam]

That is ridiculous, and makes no difference. Either way, it is unconstitutional as hell and must not be allowed

What must not be allowed?The no fly list?The no fly no FFL buy list?Now if they said that a person on a no fly list could no longer own guns then that would be un- constitutional but no one has said that.Are we guaranteed by our fore fathers to be able to pass a federal background check?To hell with the fed and their gun dealers.Every time you go through a FFL you feed the beast.

 

[Gator 45/70]

Notable person's on the No-Fly list, Including Senator Ted Kennedy

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...fly_list/RK=0/RS=TmJrbooYax5DjZfcPkZwtSZxS2U-

 

[UnseenUSPCompact]

Taking rights away without due process is crazy talk. If you are a criminal on the no fly list and there is enough for due process to take place and you are convicted then so be it, until then, no rights should be revoked from an individual.

 

[981GT4]

Taking rights away without due process is crazy talk. If you are a criminal on the no fly list and there is enough for due process to take place and you are convicted then so be it, until then, no rights should be revoked from an individual.

since when is it a right to fly on an airplane? please enlighten me.

 

[DAVE_M]

since when is it a right to fly on an airplane? please enlighten me.

LOL don't even bother. The freedom fighters of Bayoushooter will say it's unconstitutional if you ask that question.

 

[Cochise]

Yes, it must not be allowed. If you are not prohibited from owning guns, you cannot legally be barred from buying a gun. The ability to purchase is inherent to the right to keep. How do you guys not get this? We are talking about a bureaucratic list with no oversight. Do you understand that the gov will never set up the list the right way, because then it would no longer function? There is only way a no buy list could ever be constitutional:

That is if every person of interest is given a fair and open court trial BEFORE they are put on the list.

Since that will never happen, the idea must be stopped.

 

[Cochise]

since when is it a right to fly on an airplane? please enlighten me.

Bad troll. Back under your bridge.

 

[Brawny]

But but but his sons like guns!

I told y'all he doesn't care one wit about guns. And trust me he thinks that gun control makes more sense than gun availability.
Don't doubt me on this.


Still got my vote but a boating accident involving all my guns, magazines, and ammo is inevitable.

 

[Whitebread]

And then some. If you are a terrorist, no fly, no buy. No large truck rentals, either. And no pressure cookers. And no knives. No gas cans. Dang theres a lot of dangerous stuff out there...

 

[Whitebread]

How is it unconstitutional? Once the system is fixed it will be the same as felons not being allowed to buy guns. All for it.
And there are ways to get off a list which does involve the legal system/judge etc.. is it a quick process? No but there is a process. A bit of reform and better policy on the no fly list should fix it.

Our constitution requires due process.

 

[981GT4]

Yes, it must not be allowed. If you are not prohibited from owning guns, you cannot legally be barred from buying a gun. The ability to purchase is inherent to the right to keep. How do you guys not get this? We are talking about a bureaucratic list with no oversight. Do you understand that the gov will never set up the list the right way, because then it would no longer function? There is only way a no buy list could ever be constitutional:

That is if every person of interest is given a fair and open court trial BEFORE they are put on the list.

Since that will never happen, the idea must be stopped.

so what about the mentally unstable persons on prohibition of firearms purchases? shall we put all mentally ill people on trial before we ban them from gun sales?

Look if your a Criminal, or on a terror watch list i really dont want you OWNING weapons, or buying them. this country cannot and will not spend money on lengthy trial process for something that frankly doesn't need to happen.

The mistaken No fly ban or terror watch-list errors are small in number. if this was such a huge deal why has no one ever sued or even attempted to sue the U.S government over unconstitutionality? if they did and were shot down the appeals process would begin, and eventually it would have made it to the U.S Supreme court to decide if its constitutional or not. So far it hasn't.

if this list or provisions help stop bad people from doing bad things im all for it. god knows we have enought crazy idiots giving gun owners a bad name in this country.

 

[981GT4]

Bad troll. Back under your bridge.

your just ignorant to what the constitution states.

You have no right to fly on a aircraft, nor do you have a right to drive or own an automobile. you dont even have a right to get a drivers licence.

its a privilege, learn the difference.

 

[UnseenUSPCompact]

since when is it a right to fly on an airplane? please enlighten me.

We are talking about gun purchases and using a term "no fly list" and "terrorist watch list" as one in the same. I am not referring to flying on a private airline. (I would have hoped that was obvious being the conversation was about guns)

 

[Whitebread]

since when is it a right to fly on an airplane? please enlighten me.

That's a semantic argument at best. If the no fly list was an advisory list that the Feds gave each airline and each airline was allowed to do with it what they wish then sure your semantic argument would stand. Instead the federal government say no you can't let this person fly on your plane with no due process. Weather or not it and the TSA are keeping us safe is debatable at best anyways.

 

[UnseenUSPCompact]

That's a semantic argument at best. If the no fly list was an advisory list that the Feds gave each airline and each airline was allowed to do with it what they wish then sure your semantic argument would stand. Instead the federal government say no you can't let this person fly on your plane with no due process. Weather or not it and the TSA are keeping us safe is debatable at best anyways.

This is very true, The private airlines have zero say in the matter.

 

[981GT4]

since when is it a right to fly on an airplane? please enlighten me.

Taking rights away without due process is crazy talk. If you are a criminal on the no fly list and there is enough for due process to take place and you are convicted then so be it, until then, no rights should be revoked from an individual.

We are talking about gun purchases and using a term "no fly list" and "terrorist watch list" as one in the same. I am not referring to flying on a private airline. (I would have hoped that was obvious being the conversation was about guns)

Read unseens post, he expressed that being on a No fly list was infringing on individuals rights.

 

[Whitebread]

But but but his sons like guns!

I told y'all he doesn't care one wit about guns. And trust me he thinks that gun control makes more sense than gun availability.
Don't doubt me on this.


Still got my vote but a boating accident involving all my guns, magazines, and ammo is inevitable.

You were lucky Obama parked his rain machine over the tangi and flooded all mine. Yeah Bush finally handed it over he wanted to keep it but the Builderburgs wouldn't let him.

Now that is a conspiracy theory.

 

[981GT4]

This is very true, The private airlines have zero say in the matter.

because they do not. the Airline industry and air traffic in General in the United States is controlled by the FAA which is a Federal Government agency.

if the FAA said you cant fly on an airplane, you cant fly. Airline company's have no say in this matter.

 

[981GT4]

That's a semantic argument at best. If the no fly list was an advisory list that the Feds gave each airline and each airline was allowed to do with it what they wish then sure your semantic argument would stand. Instead the federal government say no you can't let this person fly on your plane with no due process. Weather or not it and the TSA are keeping us safe is debatable at best anyways.

The cant, because the airways and fly zones in the united states are controled by the FAA. the airlines do what the FAA says , or they no longer operate in our airspace.

 

[UnseenUSPCompact]

Read unseens post, he expressed that being on a No fly list was infringing on individuals rights.

Flying on a private airline is not a right. Regardless, the private airline is not making the decision, the government is doing it for them. That is a completely different argument and I have already clarified what I was talking about. I am talking about guns here.