Executive Order FAIL

[oleheat]

You are correct, of course.

Does anybody recognize the surreal phantasm presented by a state needing to amend its constitution to ensure rights ensured in the US Constitution which are not protected by the US government.

Even Orwell couldn't have dreamed this up.

Uh, yeah...That's not a good sign.

 

[Emperor]

You are correct, of course.

Does anybody recognize the surreal phantasm presented by a state needing to amend its constitution to ensure rights ensured in the US Constitution which are not protected by the US government.

Even Orwell couldn't have dreamed this up.

Metaphorical lines being drawn!

I see them!

 

[whitsend]

New York isn't my fight.

Repost of comments I made in another thread.

The NRA or someone needs to file suit first thing in the morning.
We need to all voice our opposition to this law.
Even though it doesn't directly affect us, I'm reminded of the story....


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Then this post.

Just because I disagree with them and don't like them doesn't mean they should be "taken away" for their beliefs.
If you allow groups you don't like or agree with to have their rights violated, eventually "they" will come to take your rights away also.

In today's context:

They restricted the gun rights of people in California,
and I didn't speak out because they are a bunch of liberal pansies and deserve what they get.

They restricted the gun rights of people in New York,
and I didn't speak out because they are also a bunch of liberal pansies and voted for their crazy representatives and governor.

They restricted the gun rights of people in (insert other state here),
and I didn't speak out because they are also a bunch of liberal pansies.

Repeat until we come to Louisiana,
and there was no one left to speak out with us, and legal precedent had been established, so we lost in court.

 

[Emperor]

Repeat until we come to Louisiana,
and there was no one left to speak out with us, and legal precedent had been established, so we lost in court.

This will be mainly because they will have the majority in the Court!

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Congress will go nowhere there are a half dozen huge budget fights looming in the next 12-18 months. No one is going to want to spend any Political Capital on Gun Control.

 

[CEHollier]

Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.

If you do I can rehab it for you. What we can do is stretch you out real good so you can pat yourself on the back regularly without fear of re-injury.

 

[S&W4ME]

If you do I can rehab it for you. What we can do is stretch you out real good so you can pat yourself on the back regularly without fear of re-injury.

 

[mcinfantry]

If you do I can rehab it for you. What we can do is stretch you out real good so you can pat yourself on the back regularly without fear of re-injury.

I'm good. I'm right often enough I don't par myself anymore.. I don't like looking like an idiot and railing against faux causes like Kony, executive orders, 9-11....

It only makes me look feauxmad, and we have enough of that

 

[Hitman]

Congress will go nowhere there are a half dozen huge budget fights looming in the next 12-18 months. No one is going to want to spend any Political Capital on Gun Control.

That's pretty much what I've seen/heard from both sides of the aisle.

Doesn't seem like Obama has the Law Makers to back him on a Weapon Ban. Doesn't seem I said.

I only wonder if he will be content with just saying, "See? Congress won't act" or will he actually attempt to do it himself.

He has nothing to lose sort of,
but, will he face impeachment for an EO that calls for a Ban after Congress refused to?

Don't know....

 

[mcinfantry]

If he passes an EO that is subsequently rescinded by SCOTUS it will cause significant retroactive and future issues.

He cannot risk it.

 

[Nomad.2nd]

That sounds very Confederate of you. If so, I'm in.

States get to make law, states get to nullify federal law. They do not get to nullify the Constitution, unless they secede. It was a contractual agreement they made when they joined the Union.

Original intent...

Wasn't till after the War of Northern Aggression that we went from THESE United States to THE United States.

 

[Hitman]

If he passes an EO that is subsequently rescinded by SCOTUS it will cause significant retroactive and future issues.

He cannot risk it.

Yea but it seems like there has been plenty of times in the last 4 years
where we all kind of looked at each other saying, "I never thought I'd see the day".

So while not being pessimistic, I'm not exactly optimistic either. Maybe cautious? Yea I think I caution the thought of being comfortable with our current state or in thinking this will go to Congress and die and we’ll just continue on like its 2012.

 

[Leonidas]

Original intent...

Wasn't till after the War of Northern Aggression that we went from THESE United States to THE United States.

Thanks, Mr. Lincoln, right.

 

[oleheat]

I do not like knowing we have a sitting President who would like to see something similar to what just happened in NY be the law of the land. Take all the EO crap out of the picture- he told us today exactly what he'd LIKE to see happen, so there is no doubt about where he stands on this issue.


Like others have said- this is the man who will VERY likely install new members of the Supreme Court before we are rid of him.


Uh, Yeah- this can be a serious problem when you remember that Heller was passed by a 5 to 4 margin.

 

[Dustin-R]

Obama says " People who buy guns, to put them in the hands of criminals, should be prosecuted".

 

[oleheat]

Obama says " People who buy guns, to put them in the hands of criminals, should be prosecuted"*.

*Except in certain situations involving certain drug cartels

 

[Nomad.2nd]

Thanks, Mr. Lincoln, right.

Lincoln deserves a far worse reputation than history has given him.

 

[rrussotwo]

wow!

*The rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened.* ― John F. Kennedy

This ^^^^

 

[Leonidas]

Uh, Yeah- this can be a serious problem when you remember that Heller was passed by a 5 to 4 margin.

Especially since that was before Roberts' aneurism/stroke/medication imbalance, whatever.

 

[MilOperator]

Punked out on EOs by the Yeagers among us...