RaleighReloader
Well-Known Member
I think you know the answer to that. What I find sad is your efforts of persuasion have failed so you shifted to discredit me first by claiming bigotry and now lack of education in a subject.
What failure? By your own admission you have no training in the disciplines you're opining on. The failure here is yours, my friend.
To wit: your assertion about gender dysphoria being a "disorder" is your assertion to prove, not mine to disprove. In any first year college class on critical thinking this is taught as the "philosophical burden of proof," or "Hitchensen's razor."
By the way, do you actually know any transgender people, or is your "expertise" purely imagined?
Funny thing you discredited your own argument earlier without even knowing. You used the word genetics to discuss someone’s individual identity and you seem to reject genetics as being the supreme arbiter of a person’s sex/gender (whatever word you prefer because obviously words have no meaning any more).
Oh, I think genetics has a lot to do with it. I just don't think it's as simple as looking at a person's sex chromosomes and assuming that all of their cognition has to follow suit the way that you and so many others think it should.
Like so many others, you have oversimplified gender to imagine that the biological sex gender (meaning one's genitalia) has to match one's cognitive gender identity. And yes, up into the 1990's, that was the state of our understanding of human physiology and psychology. We now have a more nuanced understanding of human cognition and genetics, such that the oversimplification is just that—an oversimplification. Nice for the armchair "psychologists" who, lacking training and scholarship on the issue, want to reduce this to the simplest possible terms to bolster their fallacious arguments and personal biases.
If ones individual identity as they see it couldn’t possibly be a mistake how on earth could ones genetics? Remember you used genetics to describe someone’s individual identity.
Calling someone's identity a "mistake" is absurd. Who the hell are any of us to tell someone how they should self-identify?
Ever heard of Trisomy 21? Google it, and then tell me about how perfect genetics is.
I’m sure you are about to bounce to intersex next which affects .05% of the population. That’s not to say what they go through isn’t significant to them but statistically an anomaly.
Naah, your current "arguments" (such as they are, since you've presented nothing but hyperbole and bluster) are far more fun to poke at. But by all means ...continue to dance around scientific disciplines that you know nothing about. Ever hear the old Ben Franklin quote, "better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and confirm all suspicions"?
By the way ... you backpedaled when you said that you cared only about "those interested in using these people and their disorder for their own benefit." I doubt that any transgendered person wants your sympathy (especially when it comes from the bias of imagining that this is a "disorder"); I suspect you said that just to dig yourself out from the hatred that pervades this thread, and to try to make yourself look better. At least be man enough to stand by your words, or admit outright that you might have been wrong. The only thing I hate more than a bad argument is a bad argument bolstered by weasel words.
That said ... what exactly is "for their own benefit?" Are you opposed to transgendered people having their identified gender recognized legally? Seems to me that the only "benefit" these people want is to have equal rights under the law. What exactly is the problem with this, and how would affording these people equal protections under the law impose on your life?
Mike