Today I went to Jefferson Gun Outlet with my girlfriend and she asked if I could buy her a Glock 30. The man behind the counter (who said he was part time help) said it was not legal if she was not related to me or my wife. I was under the impression that if it were a gift to a person, then buying a pistol for someone was okay. She has no arrests or anything barring her from owning a gun by the way. Who was wrong in this?
gun gifting
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The law was made to prevent straw purchases but it doesnt stop anything except maybe store liability.
Just give her the cash and advise her what to buy (if you are in fact buying it for her)or buy a gift certificate.
Is it any diff if yall were married or related??
Just give her the cash and advise her what to buy (if you are in fact buying it for her)or buy a gift certificate.
Is it any diff if yall were married or related??
whbonney26
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this is what i was thinking. it will be an early birthday gift as i will be deploying shortly before her birthday
lmao, that should be enuff to fail the mental eyeball test!!! Wouldnt want to be their neighbor!
ATF Form 4473:
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473.pdf
Look at question 11(a) and particularly the instructions for question 11(a) [scroll down for instructions]
Are you the actual buyer/transferee of the firearm?
The problem is that the question itself says you are not the actual buyer if you are buying on behalf of someone else, so on it's face, it looks like you cannot buy as a gift. However, the instructions clearly state that buying as a gift for another is okay, and you can answer "yes" to that question.
I cannot give you money to go buy a gun for me, but you can buy one with your own money and give it to me as a gift.
Most store employees probably never look at the instructions. And they get nervous knowing you are buying for someone else. The simplest thing is just let her buy it herself--you don't have to hand her the cash--they shouldn't care who actually pays, if she fills out the form. (unless they're really extra ignorant)
And the last caveat is that while you can give a gun as a gift, you cannot give it to someone who you have reason to believe cannot legally purchase or possess.
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473.pdf
Look at question 11(a) and particularly the instructions for question 11(a) [scroll down for instructions]
Are you the actual buyer/transferee of the firearm?
The problem is that the question itself says you are not the actual buyer if you are buying on behalf of someone else, so on it's face, it looks like you cannot buy as a gift. However, the instructions clearly state that buying as a gift for another is okay, and you can answer "yes" to that question.
I cannot give you money to go buy a gun for me, but you can buy one with your own money and give it to me as a gift.
Most store employees probably never look at the instructions. And they get nervous knowing you are buying for someone else. The simplest thing is just let her buy it herself--you don't have to hand her the cash--they shouldn't care who actually pays, if she fills out the form. (unless they're really extra ignorant)
And the last caveat is that while you can give a gun as a gift, you cannot give it to someone who you have reason to believe cannot legally purchase or possess.
xsilentxninjax
Member
it's not illegal to sell a gun to another private citizen, nor to give a gun you own as a gift. i believe all that is required is a bill of sale, or gift, with the transferee's signature, your signature, and a witness.
No bill of sale, signature or witness is required.
He may buy the Glock as a gift for her, or she could buy the gun for herself with his money. I doesn't matter, as long as he does not know or have reason to know that she is a prohibited buyer.
There is no gun registration in this state.
Academy will NOT allow one person to sign for and another person to pay for a firearm, even if they are husband and wife. The nutless monkeys who work at Academy have been interpreting the "straw purchase' clause to mean that only the person handing the money to the cashier can sign for a firearm.
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