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[oscar615]

Nate convinced me.
JR1572

I am curious what Nate said. Maybe it would help others to.



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[JR1572]

I am curious what Nate said. Maybe it would help others to.



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It's like this. We can all use more. I know what I've done, and what I've experienced in my career and I want to be better.

The same approach I've taken towards my quest to get into better shape has crossed over into this.

We should all have the desire to perform well, no matter what it is.

JR1572

 

[alpinehyperlite]

I don't see why it matters. Criminals and idiots already carry without a permit, and they always will.

But now they can be charged.

 

[JadeRaven]

But now they can be charged.

If they're a criminal then they can be charged for something else.

Also felon in possession laws should still apply.

 

[freedive10]

Nate convinced me.

I'll be at GF2. I hope to see you there. Maybe we can talk it out and hash out our differences...

JR1572

Damn! I wish I could see this! LOL! But I'll be at another class that day.

 

[buttanic]

Remember concealed means concealed, none of us know how many people without permits are walking around carrying, both criminals and non criminals. I know several women who have carried a gun in their purse all their lives, long before there was any permit system. Just about anyone who is law abiding and doesn't go looking for trouble is very unlikely to be caught carrying legal or otherwise.

 

[madwabbit]

Remember concealed means concealed, none of us know how many people without permits are walking around carrying, both criminals and non criminals. I know several women who have carried a gun in their purse all their lives, long before there was any permit system. Just about anyone who is law abiding and doesn't go looking for trouble is very unlikely to be caught carrying legal or otherwise.

yup. unfortunately the one thing liberals and leos somehow see eye to eye on is the myth that licenses or registrations have any impact on criminals whatsoever.

 

[Peacemaker]

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery, all day, every day.

For the untrained idiots, Darwinism will thin that herd. For those who continue to seek training, they carry the upper hand in a gun fight. Luck favors the prepared.

I can get behind this statement.
Hell I remember all the fear of blood running in the streets when concealed carry was proposed and that never happened. I'm almost certain it won't be much ofa problem with this either. The up side of this law is the ordinary citizen will be able to defend themselves and family without the fear of breaking the law by carrying a concealed weapon.

 

[madwabbit]

Honest question: what % of concealed carry violations are from the population of people that

1) are NOT charged with felon in possession
2) are not in commission of a crime at the time that their ccw was discovered

if its less than squat, current chp laws only hurt the good guys. period.

 

[olivs260]

If they're a criminal then they can be charged for something else.

Also felon in possession laws should still apply.

This.

 

[Vermiform]

yup. unfortunately the one thing liberals and leos somehow see eye to eye on is the myth that licenses or registrations have any impact on criminals whatsoever.

I wouldn't paint LEOs with such a broad brush. I know a good number of them up here and none of them think this way. This type of sheer stupidity is the exception, not the rule.

 

[madwabbit]

I wouldn't paint LEOs with such a broad brush. I know a good number of them up here and none of them think this way. This type of sheer stupidity is the exception, not the rule.

I'm seeing it more and more often, but I'll agree because I desperately want to believe that.

 

[Peacemaker]

I'm seeing it more and more often, but I'll agree because I desperately want to believe that.

I'm seeing more and more LEO'S showing an offensive attitude of superiority and I desperately don't want to believe that either.

 

[Jack]

yup. unfortunately the one thing liberals and leos somehow see eye to eye on is the myth that licenses or registrations have any impact on criminals whatsoever.

Some LEOs, probably the vast minority, think that way. In fact, I think that the percentage of LEOs who think that way is smaller than society in general. Even in this thread there are officers on both side of the fence.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

I am curious what Nate said. Maybe it would help others to.



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Nate said: If you choose to carry a gun you owe it to yourself and your people to be technically and tactically competent in it's employment. Thats an open ended quest. Everybody can learn and everyone can get better. Saying your good enough is being dishonest with yourself. there are a ton of people here on the forum who tell themselves that lie everyday.

 

[tikanni]

I have taken a lot of classes/received a lot of training, and probably shoot more than most on this forum. And I still don't have a CHP. Why? Because I still don't think I am that good of a shot. I don't want to miss and hit an innocent bystander.


"You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!"

 

[Dishonored]

I have taken a lot of classes/received a lot of training, and probably shoot more than most on this forum. And I still don't have a CHP. Why? Because I still don't think I am that good of a shot. I don't want to miss and hit an innocent bystander.


"You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!"

Confidence is key.

 

[tikanni]

Confidence is key.

I'm pretty confident with a handgun. More than my rifle. But I can't tell you how many times I have done/seen it done by someone that the first shot out of a holster is a miss.


"You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!"

 

[madwabbit]

Even when I was a terrible shot, I carried concealed. Most self defense shootings are at a couple yards max, and I'd rather have a gun than not. Just because I can't shoot pennies at 30 yards doesn't mean I can't hit a 250lb thug at ten feet.

 

[Dishonored]

I'm pretty confident with a handgun. More than my rifle. But I can't tell you how many times I have done/seen it done by someone that the first shot out of a holster is a miss.


"You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!"

I get where you come from. You train to make that Shot but you have to be confident. You'll never fully fill that you can. And when you do you've also probably become complacent.