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[kenner70065]

I sold a shotgun last winter. I was the original buyer. Jpso just came by with 2 deputies aaking about it. I did not get the guys id number. Whats going to happen next

 

[Robbie]

More details bro!
You sold it to a BS member?

 

[kenner70065]

I posted on bayou shooter. I unsure if he was a member or if he called my phone directly. It was a 870 20 ga. he was over 18 . Arent the main requirements for a sale the persons age and if you knowingly sold a felon a firearm ? They said it was recovered in a crime. Likely drug related. Unsure from our talk if it was used in a violent crime or if it was iust in a guys trunk or closet when a searh occured

 

[spec50trout]

Curious how jpso knew to talk to you? Maybe someone gave your name?

 

[Jack]

As long as you made a legal sale, I don't see why it would be an issue for you. Hell, you might get your gun back.

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Curious how jpso knew to talk to you? Maybe someone gave your name?

He probably purchased it from a gun store.

 

[spec50trout]

As long as you made a legal sale, I don't see why it would be an issue for you. Hell, you might get your gun back.

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He probably purchased it from a gun store.

Jack, please educate me here. Wouldn't that assume a gun registry? To my knowledge there is no national or state gun registry.

 

[Jack]

They keep those 4473s around, they don't just get burned or something. That wouldn't be a complete registry, as it only is FFL transfers.

 

[spec50trout]

They keep those 4473s around, they don't just get burned or something. That wouldn't be a complete registry, as it only is FFL transfers.

Again, please correct me if I'm wrong. To my knowledge a 4473 does not include serial numbers or specific description of firearm ie Remington 870 20 gauge. I know the FFL will tell the ATF person longarm or handgun, but that's it. Not looking for a confrontation here. Just thought you might know something I don't.

 

[shroom14]

The atf contacts manufacturer they say we sold it to FFl ( insert name here) that FFL then says they sold it to ( ) so on and so forth till they get to a 4473.
Yes when a 4473 is called in all they say is long gun handgun or other if remember correctly, but the form is then completed by the ffl to include manufacturer model s/n and cal. all kept by the ffl. and goes no further unless a trace is done or unless multiple handguns

Again, please correct me if I'm wrong. To my knowledge a 4473 does not include serial numbers or specific description of firearm ie Remington 870 20 gauge. I know the FFL will tell the ATF person longarm or handgun, but that's it. Not looking for a confrontation here. Just thought you might know something I don't.

 

[Jack]

I could be totally wrong, but i'm 99% sure it requires a serial number.

 

[SpeedRacer]

4473 requires a serial number, but it's not reported to the ATF during the background check.

There's no national database, but as you can see they can still track them down pretty well. It typically ends at the original owner though. If they knock on your door and you inform them "I sold it at a gunshow to some guy I don't know", then that's where the story ends. It's just an easy lead for them to follow up on, but no you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Jack]

The atf contacts manufacturer they say we sold it to FFl ( insert name here) that FFL then says they sold it to ( ) so on and so forth till they get to a 4473.
Yes when a 4473 is called in all they say is long gun handgun or other if remember correctly, but the form is then completed by the ffl to include manufacturer model s/n and cal. all kept by the ffl. and goes no further unless a trace is done or unless multiple handguns

This is the way I understand it also.

 

[spec50trout]

Learned something new. Thanks Jack and fellas.

 

[kenner70065]

I got it new in 2006. They cops appear to be friendly. Said a follow up call may be needed.

 

[general mills]

Unless they can prove you had knowledge of him being some kind of felon, I think you should be just fine. I don't think you will get your gun back, as mentioned above, because you never reported it stolen.

 

[kcinnick]

It was just a trace, they happen all the time.

 

[Kraut]

Because some people missed it in the OP, he SOLD the shotgun, it wasn't stolen, so he won't get it back.

A trace does not always end with the single original retail buyer. Anytime a weapon goes through the hands of a licensed dealer as part of his business, the same type of transaction with a form occurs, and ATF can apparently find such records. I've received trace requests back where aside from the original buyer, pawn shops have been listed as having acquired and resold the weapon. Somehow those gaps were filled in between original retail buyer and later pawnshop transactions, how I don't know. I've also received back notification of previous trace requests by different agencies where the weapon has been encountered and a trace requested, so once they run a trace and compile data in that manner, they file it away for their own purposes. I can understand that to destroy records of a trace and have to duplicate it later would be foolish, but the fact remains that some data does accumulate in "their" files.

 

[Jack]

You're in a better position to know than me, but I seem to remember leadfoot getting back one he sold.