Truth is fellas is I've pissed off my climber 20+ feet in the air. And still saw a doe I and a young 4point couldn't shoot. The big boys are a little smarter than that but... you get the point sometimes it doesn't matter. Btw it was that or **** myself the night before included a few beer and the morning a massive cup of coffee so it was off the climber or in my pants and it was cold so I nuked that morning hunt.