I Guess I Was Wrong -- Proof That Open-Carry Does Deter Criminals
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machinedrummer
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LEO's with years of svs. and training have been shot and killed with their own gun. No matter who you are or what your level of training is it CAN happen to you. I am not going to make light of what happened I think its very sad that a man lost his life to these creatures. This should be a wake-up call to all who carry either open or cc that there is a chance you could find yourself in that same situation so expect the unexpected and be safe.
Words to stay alive by. Because unless someone has figured out a way to shoot John Q. Attacker while the gun is still tucked away in their IWB holster, the gun is gonna be "in the open" at some point, anyway....
Sin-ster
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I'll grant you "years of service" for an LEO who has lost their lives in this manner-- but "years of training" is a huge stretch, in the vast majority of cases. (Not necessarily tragic cases like we're discussing-- but the general case of being an LEO in the first place.)
I've asked several uniformed officers I know about how much and what type of instruction they receive-- not just in terms of static marksmanship, but other equally (if not more so) important aspects, including weapon's retention. The answers I've received have been... well, not startling because I expected as much... but unnerving to say the least.
If what pangris says is true about men thinking they understand the dynamics of a gunfight based on watching TV/movies, it's even more true for many LEO in terms of simply putting on the badge and gun. Hell, I don't have any first hand experience in that regard either-- but I damn sure spend a lot of time and effort asking and training with the individuals that do!
Note that this is in no way intended as a slight to police officers-- but is an open attack on those who fail to provide them with the level of training they need/deserve. It's easy to say, "They can seek that type of stuff out on their own-- and carrying a gun for a living means that they should!" But in reality, time and expense are very limiting factors-- and LEO are people just like civilians, with families and other obligations to fulfill.
I've asked several uniformed officers I know about how much and what type of instruction they receive-- not just in terms of static marksmanship, but other equally (if not more so) important aspects, including weapon's retention. The answers I've received have been... well, not startling because I expected as much... but unnerving to say the least.
If what pangris says is true about men thinking they understand the dynamics of a gunfight based on watching TV/movies, it's even more true for many LEO in terms of simply putting on the badge and gun. Hell, I don't have any first hand experience in that regard either-- but I damn sure spend a lot of time and effort asking and training with the individuals that do!
Note that this is in no way intended as a slight to police officers-- but is an open attack on those who fail to provide them with the level of training they need/deserve. It's easy to say, "They can seek that type of stuff out on their own-- and carrying a gun for a living means that they should!" But in reality, time and expense are very limiting factors-- and LEO are people just like civilians, with families and other obligations to fulfill.
The report I read was on THR, and like someone else said, he was probably carrying concealed and exposed his weapon. I'm not condoning OCing, just saying not everyone with a permit is trained as well as others. Maybe some people don't take the training as serious as they should.
I occasionally OC, and it would be nice to know more of the details behind this such as why he was not using a holster to prevent unwated disarming, retention rope/clip etc. I have a retentioner(probably the wrong word...cant think of what its exactly called, but it clips to my belt and then to pistol with a cord connecting both and also have a push button on the holster to prevent people from pulling it out incase of a struggle. as well as not keeping one in the chamber..) On a side note, I only open carry when at work, or when running.I don't ccw at work, as per my manager if I carry he wants to be able to see it at all times to ensure its safely carried......I dont ccw when running, as I hate chest rigs and waist rigs bouncing when Im out smokin myself on a 5 miler(use a leg rig when running).
i agree with what was said earlier to many wanna be rambos think they know what to expect from movies and games. And yes also depending where i am will determine wether one is in the chamber or not. if im in my vehicle yes i will have one in the chamber. in a crowded situation i might not have one ine the chamber. but again that should only be based on the amount of training and comfortability with simotaniously drawing and chambering a round. i also carry a oc spray gun as well at times as a deterent and a less lethal warning . again situation dictates everything.
Who have you trained with that extolled manipulating the slide during drawstoke?
never said i trained with anyone , just stated i probably wouldnt have a chambered firearm on burbon street for example. all pistol drills ive done have always been chambered, unless dry fire drills. Infantry Marine- everything we did was chambered. do i feel confident in my training? yes very much. Do i know how it would play out in a real world scenerio if i tried drawing and sliding at the same time in a busy area. No
when you asked who have i trained with , your asking in the civilian world correct?
when you asked who have i trained with , your asking in the civilian world correct?
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This entire thread is about the civilian world and carrying in it, so yes.
Why change. Why even consider trying to manipulate a slide when under the stress associated with the fear of losing your life?
I would say the same thing to anyone in person. Carrying an unloaded pistol is dangerous. It's a safety concern to me, and the person carrying the gun without a loaded chamber.
JR1572
Hattrick 22
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I don't quite understand why open carry seems to be a bad thing.. I found the locotraining thread funny and all, but in all honesty i still do not see whats bad about it. I could understand making fun of people doing it for no reason other than just to carry it on thier hip, but i open carry everyday. When i am walking to my car and going inside my home. Then again maybe this is in refrence to people carrying in walmart, burbon street, malls even still what diffrence does it make at the end of the day every place can be dangerous and some places we feel safe we don't open carry/ccw wouldn't those be the places you would be your most vunarable etc?
