Integral suppressed AR

[Mayonnaise]

What's the verdict on integrally suppressed AR's? The post about the MP22 got me thinking. I'm not crazy about hanging a suppressor off the end of an already long 16inch barrel.

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to integral suppressors? Is it even possible on the AR platform or do you need a piston upper?

 

[Mayonnaise]

Never mind. Stupid idea.

 

[the dubshow]

its been done.

but what about a SBR with a shroud? win win. Removable/replaceable can AND you can rock a SBR anytime.

 

[Mayonnaise]

The whole point is to only get one stamp. Plus SBR's don't really do anything for me. I don't really enjoy shooting them, and they make way too much noise.

 

[saiga308guy]

I know Daniel Defense just came out with an Integrally Suppressed rifle, But the price tag is around 3 grand.

 

[JNieman]

The /only/ benefit is one-stamp. Full stop. Any other benefit is also shared by a two-stamp setup. There are drawbacks to an integral, and there are benefits gained by having a separate suppressor.

I don't see why someone would pay a few grand, all said and done, and be so picky about $200 for a second stamp, when they could have the freedom to use that can on other guns. The only exception I can think of is for purpose-built integrals or historic recreations like integrally suppressed sterlings, or true-to-form integral MP5s or something.

 

[rockmup]

AR SBR's eat suppressors up. Yes some of the manuf. offer cans with warranty on a 10.5. barrel.

An integral 223 would bring the suck.

 

[JWG223]

The /only/ benefit is one-stamp. Full stop. Any other benefit is also shared by a two-stamp setup. There are drawbacks to an integral, and there are benefits gained by having a separate suppressor.

I don't see why someone would pay a few grand, all said and done, and be so picky about $200 for a second stamp, when they could have the freedom to use that can on other guns. The only exception I can think of is for purpose-built integrals or historic recreations like integrally suppressed sterlings, or true-to-form integral MP5s or something.

Some states that allow suppressors do not allow SBR's. That is the only actual benefit I can think of.

 

[Mayonnaise]

AR SBR's eat suppressors up. Yes some of the manuf. offer cans with warranty on a 10.5. barrel.

An integral 223 would bring the suck.

Ah. I didn't even think about that. Are any other options available to suppress a 16 inch barrel and still keep the length down without having to get a stamp for the lower?

 

[RovingDisco]

I think this http://www.advanced-armament.com/RANGER3_p_441.html pinned and welded to a 12 inch barrel would be ok.

 

[rockmup]

Ah. I didn't even think about that. Are any other options available to suppress a 16 inch barrel and still keep the length down without having to get a stamp for the lower?

A reflex style can would serve your purpose and only add about 4-5". I don't know anyone who makes one though.

 

[Lafsnguy]

I'm having one of these built but it's in 300 blk


http://libertycans.net/leonidas.html

 

[kcinnick]

I have a Liberty Constitution. You don't notice the can when you are shooting, or at least I don't. Even on my light weight rifle and M&P 15-22.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Someone needs to make a barrel with a permanently attached core with the threads further down on the barrel. That would solve my issue.

Edit. I didn't catch rockmup's post about a reflex style can. Ops inc is the only one I've ever seen. I've read it wasn't that great.

 

[JNieman]

Some states that allow suppressors do not allow SBR's. That is the only actual benefit I can think of.

Fair point, I was stuck in my free-state mindset and thinking only about Louisiana-relevant reasons.

 

[JNieman]

Someone needs to make a barrel with a permanently attached core with the threads further down on the barrel. That would solve my issue.

Edit. I didn't catch rockmup's post about a reflex style can. Ops inc is the only one I've ever seen. I've read it wasn't that great.

I've done that on a .50 barrel, but it only works if the barrel profile suits it, or you start with a barrel blank. In my case, there was an extra boss at a convenient location on the barrel, that was not used by the rifle for any conceivable purpose, if I remember correctly. So I threaded it and made an end cap for a custom can. It was a reflex design that worked pretty good. Anyone that shot the bolt-action 50BMG AR15 upper at the RJF Birthday Bash this past year - that was it.

The problem you'd have with an AR15 barrel is that there isn't much of any meat you'd be able to sacrifice as for threading, I don't think. Plus, unless you /really/ wanna spend money, I doubt you want to get into a one-off can. What's the point in spending big bucks on a custom can, to save $200 on a stamp? Assuming SBR's are allowed, that is. I don't know if we're talking about Louisiana, or just in-general, so I'll keep that in mind.

 

[Mayonnaise]

It's not necessarily about the $200 for the SBR stamp. It's mostly just because I want to.

 

[cajun 22]

It's not necessarily about the $200 for the SBR stamp. It's mostly just because I want to.

This reason gets my vote.

 

[JNieman]

It's not necessarily about the $200 for the SBR stamp. It's mostly just because I want to.

Ah, well I can't disagree with that. "Cuz I wanna" is all you gotta say. I try to sit on a "cuz I wanna" decision for a while before doing it to make sure I don't spend money on something I only think is neat for a week.

 

[LSUSMC]

I think this http://www.advanced-armament.com/RANGER3_p_441.html pinned and welded to a 12 inch barrel would be ok.

I've seen this setup done multiple times.