I forgot to mention the only big diference between the 5.11 pants and this ones is that the 5.11 has elastic in the back which makes it nice when you want to carry IWB, this ones dont have elastic so if you plan to carry IWB order one size bigger I made the mistake to order my regular size and I have to carry OWB when I wear this.
Great stuff! Nice shirts for the money.
I hated their pants, but wear the polo shirts daily.