Loaded firearm in vehicle

[Cowboy]

It's OT if i go to court... , but then again i dont go to court because the Prosecutors are rediculous. I agree about the laws being so "open" to interpretation, but then again thats the problem with the judicial system and why so many people get off on crimes that are commited. its a no win situation. The way we see it. Thats one less gun on the street tonight.

"One less gun on the street tonight" You sound like an anti!

 

[George]

"One less gun on the street tonight" You sound like an anti!

an anti eh!??! well buddy when you deal with people who dont mind killing a police officer than i guess i am. oh and if im an anti i guess having at least one gun in every room is being "anti" too

 

[JadeRaven]

Yeah well I would imagine you wouldn't be worrying about what a normal decent folk has in his car anyway.

But you do sound like an anti

 

[TowTruck]

But you do sound like an anti

sounds more like a LEO that enjoys his life without bullet holes. If you knew the are he worked maybe it would be a little more understandable

 

[Cowboy]

sounds more like a LEO that enjoys his life without bullet holes. If you knew the are he worked maybe it would be a little more understandable

The constitution supersedes anyones safety. If it's not that way then we will degrade to the point where we are just like any totalitarian country on earth. This man is advocating confiscating a man's weapon simply because he is say buying gas with a gun in his car. Or maybe going to Walmart for whatever with his CCW. This may be the current law but it's wrong (we have plenty of unconstitutional laws that are tolerated because no one cares enough to challenge them). I agree that most if not all LEO's would not bother with a regular guy just buying gas or going to Walmart. But there are good LEO's and bad LEO's just like everyone else, given this power what happens when a for real anti gun LEO sees a guy buying gas and when he reaches for his wallet his CCW prints or shows a little.

 

[Cowboy]

I was reading the posts a little closer, so scratch Walmart and gas stations and insert most any non-fast-food restaurant in Baton Rouge. I still think this is a bad law. If it's legal to drive with a blood alcohol content of 0.07, having a gun on you at this blood alcohol level should also be legal. A gun in a holster is just that (doesn't do anything), but when you're driving with alcohol in your system (any level) you're endangering everyone else on the road. It's not till you take the gun out of the holster and fire it that your actions become as dangerous as driving (at any blood alcohol level).

I really don't think George is an anti, but he did sound like one. I also agree that this issue sounds a whole lot different depending on your point of view.

 

[George]

i dont know of any anti gun LEO's, wouldnt that be the pot calling the kettle black. After all LEO's carry weapons? im confused.

 

[LouisianaCarry]

This is not directed at anyone, just a point of fact.

There are alot of police and military types that think that civilians have no legitimate use for firearms (except possibly hunting). Being pro-gun means being pro-freedom. It means believing that the people you don't like should be able to carry a gun just like you.

"Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have." – Harry Emerson Fosdick

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946) German Lutheran pastor arrested by the Gestapo in 1937

"Virtually all reasonable laws are obeyed, not because they are the law, but because reasonable people would do that anyway. If you obey a law simply because it is the law, that's a pretty likely sign that it shouldn't be a law." – Unknown

 

[Cowboy]

LouisianaCarry answered George's last statement better than I could have. I wasn't trying to start any big argument or anti LEO rant. But I was trying to encourage some discussion on this issue.

 

[asianpersuasion]

believe me geo is not antigun. when i told him i was having trouble determining if i was going to apply for my cwl he did not understand especially when i had already taken the class

 

[LouisianaCarry]

Let me just add, in case anyone gets the wrong impression, that I am pro-LEO. To give you an example (even though I need more help) I declined to hire a man at the end of his trial period because I heard him say that it makes him mad when he sees officers picking up their kids in patrol cars 'because that's the taxpayers money their using.'

However, here is a similar thought. What I do have a problem with, and we all know this happens alot (according to human nature), is when a citizen gets put in a position of authority and:

1) Feels disassociated with [above] the rest of their fellow citizens / human beings.
2) Uses their position of authority to enforce their own personal opinions (or the opinions of the agency they work for) as opposed to the law.

The law itself is supposed to be the servant of the people (yes, I am talking about the law and government at it's core- this is not a 'you should be a public servant' lecture), not the other way around. We, as a nation, have somehow gotten so far removed from our founding principles that we act as if the government is our master.

"A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government." - Thomas Jefferson (1801)

Laws that overstep those bounds are evil. Laws that facilitate those goals should be upheld by everyone. Becoming an LEO does not give anyone a pass to be free from conscience or morality. Each of us must make liberty- for all men- more important than our jobs or our own personal safety. That is what this country was founded on, and each of our communities would be a better place if we regained sight of that.

Bringing this back on topic- yes, an officer should persue every legal option to punish (for example) a drunk driver. However, all of us, officers or not, should refuse to take part in anything that demoralizes or devalues human life (denying someone the right to self defense, for example). What more basic right is there than self defense? I say that fighting for the right of each human to have effective means of self defense- whether at restaraunts or church or work or school or home- is a fight worth finishing, and I am expending every last minute and dollar I can to do just that- for each of you, even if I don't like you personally.

 

[greg t]

[.02]
wow, such "touchiness" in this discussion ... i read through all the posts here, and i do NOT get the notion george is an anti in any way.

there's a big difference between a street thug with a gun and an armed citizen with a gun.

also, to take what george said and try to extend it to say he was advocating disarming every armed citizen going to a restaurant, etc., is just absurd!

correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the BAC is .05 when applied to carrying a firearm.

i REALLY think people are becoming quicker and quicker at jumping on a LEO when he posts about enforcing a law. you can argue about it with him all day long, but at the end of the day, the law is STILL THERE! channel that energy and direct it at those who can actually change the law.
[/.02]

 

[LouisianaCarry]

[.02]
wow, such "touchiness" in this discussion ... i read through all the posts here, and i do NOT get the notion george is an anti in any way.

there's a big difference between a street thug with a gun and an armed citizen with a gun.

Until someone commits a crime, they have the same rights as you or me.

also, to take what george said and try to extend it to say he was advocating disarming every armed citizen going to a restaurant, etc., is just absurd!

That's what the law says.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the BAC is .05 when applied to carrying a firearm.

True, if concealed. Not true if open carrying.

i REALLY think people are becoming quicker and quicker at jumping on a LEO when he posts about enforcing a law. you can argue about it with him all day long, but at the end of the day, the law is STILL THERE! channel that energy and direct it at those who can actually change the law.

[/.02]

I'm on it.

 

[spanky]

Honestly, if the restaurant thing is correct I'm breaking the law every time I enter a restaurant. I couldn't eat out at all if I heeded that nonsense law. Of course, concealed means concealed and the only time anyone will ever know I'm carrying where I shouldn't is if I have to use it to defend my law. If that day ever comes, I'll be glad I broke the law as I will still be alive.

 

[LouisianaCarry]

Honestly, if the restaurant thing is correct I'm breaking the law every time I enter a restaurant. I couldn't eat out at all if I heeded that nonsense law. Of course, concealed means concealed and the only time anyone will ever know I'm carrying where I shouldn't is if I have to use it to defend my law. If that day ever comes, I'll be glad I broke the law as I will still be alive.

Amen, brother!

It is simply my feeling that each person has to weigh everything they do by many factors. I strive to follow the law in all aspects of life, but (and this is not meant to encourage anything, simply to be an important thought) thoughts like these cannot be ignored:

From an interview w/ Rep Hupp in regards to the Luby's massacre:



Suzanna Hupp: Back in 1991, I was with my parents at a local restaurant and we had just finished eating when a madman drove his truck through the window and very methodically began executing people. And he wasn’t spraying bullets. He had complete control over the situation. He was simply walking from one person to the next, taking aim, pulling the trigger.

My father ran at the man and was very easily taken out. My mother ended up staying with him. When the gunman got back around to her, she was cradling my father and the police were there at that point and they saw her look up at the gunman and he put his gun to her head and he pulled the trigger.

(VO, Penn): You might think Suzanna would be in favor of stricter gun control laws. You would be wrong. She actually had a gun with her that afternoon but in the days before right to carry legislation the law required that she leave it in her car.

Suzanna Hupp: I was angry at myself for having made now what I realize was an incredibly stupid decision to obey a bad law and allow my family to get killed. And I was mad at my legislature because I absolutely felt that they had legislated me out of the right to protect myself and my family.

(VO, Penn): Gun control advocates might argue that if Suzanna had use of her handgun that day she might have made a horrible situation worse. She might have accidentally shot a bystander or been shot herself.

Suzanna Hupp: But I’ll tell you the one thing that nobody can argue with. It sure as heck would have changed the odds.

And, again:

It is simply my feeling that each person has to weigh everything they do by many factors. I strive to follow the law in all aspects of life, but (and this is not meant to encourage anything, simply to be an important thought) thoughts like these cannot be ignored:

From an interview w/ Rep Hupp in regards to the Luby's massacre:

Suzanna Hupp: Back in 1991, I was with my parents at a local restaurant and we had just finished eating when a madman drove his truck through the window and very methodically began executing people. And he wasn’t spraying bullets. He had complete control over the situation. He was simply walking from one person to the next, taking aim, pulling the trigger.

My father ran at the man and was very easily taken out. My mother ended up staying with him. When the gunman got back around to her, she was cradling my father and the police were there at that point and they saw her look up at the gunman and he put his gun to her head and he pulled the trigger.

(VO, Penn): You might think Suzanna would be in favor of stricter gun control laws. You would be wrong. She actually had a gun with her that afternoon but in the days before right to carry legislation the law required that she leave it in her car.

Suzanna Hupp: I was angry at myself for having made now what I realize was an incredibly stupid decision to obey a bad law and allow my family to get killed. And I was mad at my legislature because I absolutely felt that they had legislated me out of the right to protect myself and my family.

(VO, Penn): Gun control advocates might argue that if Suzanna had use of her handgun that day she might have made a horrible situation worse. She might have accidentally shot a bystander or been shot herself.

Suzanna Hupp: But I’ll tell you the one thing that nobody can argue with. It sure as heck would have changed the odds.

And, again:

An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. – Martin Luther King Jr.

 

[George]

also, to take what george said and try to extend it to say he was advocating disarming every armed citizen going to a restaurant, etc., is just absurd!

NO, i said Bars. I believe everyone should carry a gun. Hell look at the old west. Honestly the only killings they had were what? A fight taken to the streets at high noon and during shoot outs, maybe a few during a robbery or other crimes. But then again whats the difference now.

My thing is this, where I work, there are probably 99% of the people carry a weapon. I dont care as long as:
1) its not stolen
2) you aren ot a convicted Felon
3) you dont have drugs
4) you are trying to kill a Police officer.

I deal with this all the time, i dont want to disarm the good civilian from protecting his home. One that's not how i was raised. i was raised with the old saying "they can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands."

On to CWL, i mean if it's concealed then whats the point, take it anywhere you want. My grandmother FREAKS out when i go to church with mine. Ive been to church in my unifrom before(i work dogs so it earsier than to go all the way home and change) and she wanted to me leave my gun in my unit. AS IF!

I believe in the same this LACARRY is saying i dont blame him. I think some of you mis understood what i was saying.

 

[spanky]

I understood you.

That's probably because I know you, though. You and I both know how things can be misconstrued when it's just text on a screen.

 

[Cowboy]

RS 14:95.5

§95.5. Possession of firearm on premises of alcoholic beverage outlet

A. No person shall intentionally possess a firearm while on the premises of an alcoholic beverage outlet.

B. "Alcoholic beverage outlet" as used herein means any commercial establishment in which alcoholic beverages of either high or low alcoholic content are sold in individual servings for consumption on the premises, whether or not such sales are a primary or incidental purpose of the business of the establishment.

C. The provisions of this Section shall not apply to the owner or lessee of an alcoholic beverage outlet, or to an employee of such owner or lessee, or to a law enforcement officer or other person vested with law enforcement authority acting in the performance of his official duties.

D. Whoever violates the provisions of this Section shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or imprisoned for not more than six months, or both.

Acts 1985, No. 765, §1.

[/QUOTE] NO, i said Bars. I believe everyone should carry a gun. Hell look at the old west. Honestly the only killings they had were what? A fight taken to the streets at high noon and during shoot outs, maybe a few during a robbery or other crimes. But then again whats the difference now.

My thing is this, where I work, there are probably 99% of the people carry a weapon. I dont care as long as:
1) its not stolen
2) you aren ot a convicted Felon
3) you dont have drugs
4) you are trying to kill a Police officer.

I deal with this all the time, i dont want to disarm the good civilian from protecting his home. One that's not how i was raised. i was raised with the old saying "they can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands."

On to CWL, i mean if it's concealed then whats the point, take it anywhere you want. My grandmother FREAKS out when i go to church with mine. Ive been to church in my unifrom before(i work dogs so it earsier than to go all the way home and change) and she wanted to me leave my gun in my unit. AS IF!

I believe in the same this LACARRY is saying i dont blame him. I think some of you mis understood what i was saying. [/QUOTE]

George, The law you quoted includes restaurants with bars, I've shown it above and partially below. You're not the LEO I would worry about. But not all LEO's are fine upstanding pro-gun people. But they all get to enforce the law.

("Alcoholic beverage outlet" as used herein means any commercial establishment in which alcoholic beverages of either high or low alcoholic content are sold in individual servings for consumption on the premises, whether or not such sales are a primary or incidental purpose of the business of the establishment.)

Finally I was trying to spur discussion of this law and carrying a gun in general. I'm truly sorry if of my posts were taken a personal attach on George or any particular LEO or agency.

 

[greg t]

NO, i said Bars.

exactly my point ...

 

[George]

no attack on anyone as occured. This is just one of many laws that myself and fellow LEO's sit outside the District and discuss. Laws like the one I brought about are just some that we(the guys i work with) charge people with because of where and what is going on inside and outside of these clubs. If you have ever been a LEO you would understand why we charges people with the "bad laws". Cause sometimes thats all we have to make a point. Then again most of them(charges) get dropped in court.