Louisiana Constitutional Carry Bills Pass.
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When I say I just left, I just bought some and items and left. I’m okay with a store prohibiting open carry. It’s their right to do so.
I also want to point out that if this bill does become law, it will not change a business’ right to prohibit firearms.
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Martman300
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Just saw a news flash, Louisiana Governor vetos gun bill. I think this refers to nor requiring a permit to conceal carry. The 2 line quote mentions that in the 2nd line.
So guy shooting randomly in the middle of city = Good
LEO arresting guy shooting randomly for another law violation that he can prove = Bad
Makes perfect sense. Maybe the officers through talking to both parties knew the guy with the gun was lying and probably shot the round but just couldn’t find the evidence to prove it, so instead of violating his rights and charging him they used the laws on the books to arrest him and keep him from doing stupid things the rest of the night.
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He’s just trying to prove me wrong. Dragging a business and semantics into it doesn’t quite do it but he’s welcome to ignore the point.
If I remember correctly the officer had no proof he shot randomly and the witness refused to swear to It and press charges . With no bullet holes or empty cases and no witnesses how can we say he was shooting randomly ? What happened to innocent until proven to guilty . The officer knew there was no probable cause to arrest him for shooting the gun . But since the officer said he believes he shot the gun we are going to say he did shoot the gun ? The whole point is the officer said he wasn't for constitutional carry because sometimes they have no evidence against someone , (and then he described the instance we are discussing now,) but get to arrest them because they have a concealed weapon . As I said some LEO are against constitution carry because it keeps them from arresting people they feel need aresting but have no evidence they did anything wrong other than carry a pink gun under his shirt . That is not my opinion that is what the officer said . Now if the officer has changed his thinking and now doesn't believe it's worth violating everyone else's rights to be able to arrest a few that they have no other probable cause to arrest then he should say so . If that officer is against constitution carry maybe he should tell us he is and why . After all he/ she is entitled to their opinion .
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No, you answered your own question while trying to make
The officer out to be a bad guy. He didn’t get arrested for the shooting because the officer couldn’t prove it, even though he believed the complainant to be more truthful. Therefore he arrested him for the thing he had evidence of and therefore violated none of his rights. It’s not really hard to comprehend if you look at it without bias. The problem would be if he arrested the guy for illegal discharge without any evidence and based solely on what he believed.
And for the record, I’m not for or against constitutional carry. But if held down and forced to answer, I’m more on the side of constitutional carry.
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I didn't say the officer was a bad cop /guy , I said the officer at that time was against permitless carry and the officer used the man he thought shot a gun but he couldn't prove it as an example of why he was against permitless carry . Now if that officer has changed his opinion that's great but he should not be ashamed of once being against it . Peoples opinions often change as they mature . Hopefully more anti permitless carry leo and politicians will change their opinions .
For the record I never said the man's rights were violated ,I never said it was an unwarranted arrest and I said the police officer did not arrest him for discharge of the weapon because the officer admitted he had no proof the man broke any law other than the concealed weapon . If you think arresting someone for concealed carry with out a permit makes him a bad cop that's on you I never said or implied such a thing . I never implied cops who are against permitless carry are bad cops .
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Ok I didn't make my post too clear. Most of the restaurants serve booze and you can't open carry there you need to have a CHP or be LE. And you have to have a CHP to be within the 1000' of a gun free school zone. We can be within the 1000' just not on school property. Without the CHP you stop in front of a school on the street say for a flat tire. You get out with a gun it's illegal without a CHP
Opelousas: Local law predates state preemption. If I remember correctly they declined to prosecute the last time they had the opportunity.
One possibility, and I'm sure that many on this board won't admit it, but alot of people do... Concealed is concealed. Conceal it well and keep your mouth shut. If something happens that you need it, the least of your concerns will be how you were carrying it.
Remember though, those local laws which predate state preemption are still subject to the state constitution (even though some local officials act as if their laws are exempt.) If Opelousas declined prosecution in their most recent case, this could be why. A prosecution would probably result in the law being declared unconstitutional, thus eliminating reasonable suspicion for a stop, and probable cause for an arrest based solely on open carry.
Since bearing arms in Louisiana is a fundamental right, some kind of carry must be allowed in this state without a permit, because if you need a permit, it is not a right. Currently, since conceal carry requires a permit, any local law which has a blanket ban on open carry violates Article 1, sec. 11 of the Louisiana State Constitution. Localities can't have it both ways; at least not constitutionally.
An open carrier was arrested in Opelousas years ago and sued in federal court over the arrest; he prevailed. I don't know the particulars of the case beyond that.
