Louisiana Expungements do not allow firearm ownership according to NICS/FBI/DOJ

[jmcrawf1]

Holy crap! Thanks for your "wishing" of luck. Apparently I am eligible to possess or receive a firearm! Just got a letter from NICS today telling me to bring this letter to the FFL who initiated the contact! This changes nothing as I still stand with these guys.

So your cry babying was for nothing and the system worked??

Outrage for the inconveniences of a felon!!!!


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[GunRelated]

I think his viewpoint is that rights are restricted as a result of crimes being committed. This is no different. It is a bit of a strange way of it happening, but I can't help but think it falls under play stupid games win stupid prizes. Personally, I don't think anyone should have their rights restored without them making their victim's whole.

As said before, the punishment that was tied to a conviction at the time of said conviction should be the only punishment that one should have to endure. In other words, if Joe Blow was convicted of a crime and was sentenced to 1 year probation to satisfy his debt (as his conviction so calls for), then after his sentence is recognized by the state to be complete he should not have to worry about being punished again 45 years later just because some lawmaker decided to interpret the laws differently.
What makes this worse is, not only is this very large group of people being punished all over again by having our rights taken away after we did what was called for to have them restored, now we are to be considered to again be in conflict with the law.... Even if we have done nothing other than do everything that we were asked of.

Exactly. Somebody, somewhere has been victimized by those in this thread crying about not being able to buy guns. sorry not sorry.

Most ignorant statement ever.

 

[nolaboy]

As said before, the punishment that was tied to a conviction at the time of said conviction should be the only punishment that one should have to endure. In other words, if Joe Blow was convicted of a crime and was sentenced to 1 year probation to satisfy his debt (as his conviction so calls for), then after his sentence is recognized by the state to be complete he should not have to worry about being punished again 45 years later just because some lawmaker decided to interpret the laws differently.
What makes this worse is, not only is this very large group of people being punished all over again by having our rights taken away after we did what was called for to have them restored, now we are to be considered to again be in conflict with the law.... Even if we have done nothing other than do everything that we were asked of.


Most ignorant statement ever.

Not asking for anything that is outside the "codified" law as Jmcrawf1 so eloquently said. . Just asking for what the law states.

 

[nolaboy]

So your cry babying was for nothing and the system worked??

Outrage for the inconveniences of a felon!!!!


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I cried just enough for you to give me luck brother. That is all it took. Lesson here is don't wish the felon luck. I will tell you about my experience at the range once I purchase my G19 on Monday. You are welcome to come if you like.

Obviously the FBI does not consider me a felon, why do you?

 

[jmcrawf1]

I cried just enough for you to give me luck brother. That is all it took. Lesson here is don't wish the felon luck. I will tell you about my experience at the range once I purchase my G19 on Monday. You are welcome to come if you like.

Obviously the FBI does not consider me a felon, why do you?

I would but I don't go shooting with with felons. Its bad for business. Have a large day.

 

[mbd]

I would but I don't go shooting with with felons. Its bad for business. Have a large day.

I wouldn't go shooting with a convicted felon either.

MBD

 

[Jack]

I wouldn't go shooting with a convicted felon either.

JR1572

Making second accounts... You're doing it wrong.

 

[mbd]

Jesus Christ Ronnie, I've seen people do dumb **** on here, but list your old account out of habit? Damn man, what are you doing?

Crazy right?

Maybe they'll let me slide like they did with Snookie for as long as they did.

 

[alpinehyperlite]

Or tim9charges?


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[Jack]

Crazy right?

Maybe they'll let me slide like they did with Snookie for as long as they did.

I think snookie kept it incognito for at least a month.

 

[Jack]

As said before, the punishment that was tied to a conviction at the time of said conviction should be the only punishment that one should have to endure. In other words, if Joe Blow was convicted of a crime and was sentenced to 1 year probation to satisfy his debt (as his conviction so calls for), then after his sentence is recognized by the state to be complete he should not have to worry about being punished again 45 years later just because some lawmaker decided to interpret the laws differently.
What makes this worse is, not only is this very large group of people being punished all over again by having our rights taken away after we did what was called for to have them restored, now we are to be considered to again be in conflict with the law.... Even if we have done nothing other than do everything that we were asked of.


Most ignorant statement ever.

I agree that changing someone's rights via interpretation is a shitty way of doing things. The law should be clear one way or another.

 

[GunRelated]

I think snookie kept it incognito for at least a month.

Ha

 

[AustinBR]

Making second accounts... You're doing it wrong.

I can say I honestly LOL'd at this.

 

[Vermiform]

Making second accounts... You're doing it wrong.

Even his first post with this new account made it painfully obvious:

§2. Definitions
A. In this Code the terms enumerated shall have the designated meanings:
(1) "Another" refers to any other person or legal entity, including the state of Louisiana or any subdivision thereof.
(2) "Anything of value" must be given the broadest possible construction, including any conceivable thing of the slightest value, movable or immovable, corporeal or incorporeal, public or private, and including transportation, telephone and telegraph services, or any other service available for hire. It must be construed in the broad popular sense of the phrase, not necessarily as synonymous with the traditional legal term "property." In all cases involving shoplifting the term "value" is the actual retail price of the property at the time of the offense.
(3) "Dangerous weapon" includes any gas, liquid or other substance or instrumentality, which, in the manner used, is calculated or likely to produce death or great bodily harm.
(4) "Felony" is any crime for which an offender may be sentenced to death or imprisonment at hard labor.
(5) "Foreseeable" refers to that which ordinarily would be anticipated by a human being of average reasonable intelligence and perception.
(6) "Misdemeanor" is any crime other than a felony.
(7) "Person" includes a human being from the moment of fertilization and implantation and also includes a body of persons, whether incorporated or not.
(8) "Property" refers to both public and private property, movable and immovable, and corporeal and incorporeal property.
(9) "Public officer," "public office," "public employee" or "position of public authority" means and applies to any executive, ministerial, administrative, judicial, or legislative officer, office, employee or position of authority respectively, of the state of Louisiana or any parish, municipality, district, or other political subdivision thereof, or of any agency, board, commission, department or institution of said state, parish, municipality, district, or other political subdivision.
(10) "State" means the state of Louisiana, or any parish, municipality, district, or other political subdivision thereof, or any agency, board, commission, department or institution of said state, parish, municipality, district or other political subdivision.
(11) "Unborn child" means any individual of the human species from fertilization and implantation until birth.
(12) "Whoever" in a penalty clause refers only to natural persons insofar as death or imprisonment is provided, but insofar as a fine may be imposed "whoever" in a penalty clause refers to any person.
B. In this Code, "crime of violence" means an offense that has, as an element, the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, and that, by its very nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense or an offense that involves the possession or use of a dangerous weapon. The following enumerated offenses and attempts to commit any of them are included as "crimes of violence":
(1) Solicitation for murder.
(2) First degree murder.
(3) Second degree murder.
(4) Manslaughter.
(5) Aggravated battery.
(6) Second degree battery.
(7) Aggravated assault.
(8) Mingling harmful substances.
(9) Aggravated rape.
(10) Forcible rape.
(11) Simple rape.
(12) Sexual battery.
(13) Second degree sexual battery.
(14) Intentional exposure to AIDS virus.
(15) Aggravated kidnapping.
(16) Second degree kidnapping.
(17) Simple kidnapping.
(18) Aggravated arson.
(19) Aggravated criminal damage to property.
(20) Aggravated burglary.
(21) Armed robbery.
(22) First degree robbery.
(23) Simple robbery.
(24) Purse snatching.
(25) Extortion.
(26) Assault by drive-by shooting.
(27) Aggravated crime against nature.
(28) Carjacking.
(29) Illegal use of weapons or dangerous instrumentalities.
(30) Terrorism.
(31) Aggravated second degree battery.
(32) Aggravated assault upon a peace officer with a firearm.
(33) Aggravated assault with a firearm.
(34) Armed robbery; use of firearm; additional penalty.
(35) Second degree robbery.
(36) Disarming of a peace officer.
(37) Stalking.
(38) Second degree cruelty to juveniles.
(39) Aggravated flight from an officer.
(40) Repealed by Acts 2014, No. 602, §7, eff. June 12, 2014.
(41) Battery of a police officer.
(42) Trafficking of children for sexual purposes.
(43) Human trafficking.
(44) Home invasion.
(45) Domestic abuse aggravated assault.
(46) Vehicular homicide, when the operator's blood alcohol concentration exceeds 0.20 percent by weight based on grams of alcohol per one hundred cubic centimeters of blood.
Amended by Acts 1962, No. 68, §1; Acts 1976, No. 256, §1; Acts 1977, No. 128, §1; Acts 1989, No. 777, §1; Acts 1992, No. 1015, §1; Acts 1994, 3rd Ex. Sess., No. 73, §1; Acts 1995, No. 650, §1; Acts 1995, No. 1223, §1; Acts 2001, No. 301, §2; Acts 2002, 1st Ex. Sess., No. 128, §2; Acts 2003, No. 637, §1; Acts 2004, No. 651, §1; Acts 2004, No. 676, §1; Acts 2006, No. 72, §1; Acts 2008, No. 619, §1; Acts 2010, No. 387, §1; Acts 2010, No. 524, §1; Acts 2014, No. 194, §1; Acts 2014, No. 280, §1, eff. May 28, 2014; Acts 2014, No. 602, §7, eff. June 12, 2014.

 

[nolaboy]

But based on state law and FBI interpretation of it I am not a felon. If you don't like the law cool why take it out on me? I wish you no ill will brother. Take care.

 

[coance]

The question now is has the FBI changed their position back to how it was when I and others received our UPIN ?

 

[GunRelated]

Is nola the only one that has received said letter?

 

[NIGHTRODDER07]

I was convicted and sentenced 2 yrs. unsupervised probation and community service which I finnished and recieved first offender pardon which got me all rights except gun rights. I forget the atf form number but it's about 4 page double sided plus requires 2 fingerprint cards and three letters of recomendation from leo's (called gun rights restoration). Sent in one set in duplicate and waited 6 months with no response went to try and buy handgun and was denied after about a week. you have the right after denial to ask why and I did. When they answer you have a chance to refute or counter thier reason and I sent them another copy of my resto pkg. and two weeks later I got a letter restoring my gun rights! This was back in the 1990's but unless things have changed you can apply for restoration after pardon and or exspoungement

 

[coance]

That is how it used to be. It has changed as of last year. Have you tried to buy anything since mid last year?

 

[reath1]

Any news here?